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class=406424118-10032011><<</SPAN>What I have learned here shortened my
learning curve and provided the courage to go where no Dale has gone
before.:) <SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT
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I'm just far enough ahead that you can't see my back side
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN class=406424118-10032011>The Real
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<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Dale Probst RPT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Registered Piano Technician</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>Ward & Probst, Inc.</FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dale Erwin<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29,
Issue 48<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT color=black size=2
face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><FONT size=2><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"> David, Keith Israel and
all.<BR> I want to say that 10 years ago I thought I would join the list
because I might have something to contribute. What I got was nothing
short of an education by the collective experience of a group that rivals the
educational opportunity of many conventions combined as well as the privileged
to join in the discussion.<BR> I want to say this clearly..<U>..IT HAS
CHANGED MY LIFE</U>. What I have learned here shortened my learning
curve and provided the courage to go where no Dale has gone before.:)
<BR> PTG exist because the members support it financially and with their
time. It is one of the strengths and weakness of such an organization. For
example...It is a risk to teach, wondering how the class will be received, or
if anyone will show up. Wondering if aaaall the efforts you made to get the
class up to speed and running will pay off. If few show up or worse if the
feedback is not positive after the event, then the countenance will fall.
AMHIK. No one came along side and said there there better luck next time.
Here's a check for all you pain and suffering. But I was asked to teach and I
did. As the man says "ya pay yo money and yya take yer chances son". No doubt
Alan was asked to help and he did. THANK YOU ALAN G. and all that run
the list.<BR> Perhaps the only mistep in the entire format change as I
read thru these post was not giving some forewarning so there was adequate
discussion. David, you've got it right here in so many
ways.<BR> <BR> Israel is angry because his friend is being hurt
inadvertently and I assure you no one is that malicious here.<BR> Dale
E.<BR><BR><BR> David wrote<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT color=black size=2
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
PTG operates primarily as a source of education and support for its members
and a running dialogue in real time, an open forum, where ideas are easily
posted and discussed and where the format lends itself to tangential
discussions that often lead in unpredictable but productive directions
is a considerable part of that ongoing education. <B><U>It doesn’t
exist as easily or in the same way outside of this format</U></B>. Whether you
personally consider the list a valuable form of the ongoing education cycle I
don’t know. But I do and so do a lot of others. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">W<U>ith
respect to Allen and those who made great efforts to bring this new site
online, nobody is disparaging them and I for one am truly sorry if anything I
said was taken that way by them or anyone else. </U>
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<DIV style="CLEAR: both"><B><FONT color=indigo size=1><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><FONT size=2>Dale S.
Erwin<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><BR>To:
pianotech@ptg.org; caut@ptg.org<BR>Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:52 pm<BR>Subject:
[CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29,
Issue 48<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Here’s
the problem I have with your post. While I understand that the PTG does
not exist for the list, the contributions of those on the list are not small
and their generosity should be respected and appreciated in spite of the
quirks of some of their communications styles and in spite of some of the
useless, antagonistic and redundant threads. It’s part of what
happens in dialogue. Some of the posts themselves are used for PTJ
sections and are an integral part of that publication. But more than
that the list represents an attitude that many technicians have of giving
back. While the list provides an opportunity for people to learn from
others it only does so out of the generosity and willingness of technicians
(around the world in this case) to share their thoughts and ideas, techniques,
tools and tips. It’s no small thing and the trade benefits enormously
from that generosity. To imply that it is mostly the list members who
owe something to the PTG for providing them a “chatty” forum is to disrespect
the efforts that they make to offer their collective wisdom. It is as if
to say, thank you for your generosity and now if you want to keep giving you
will have to pay for your generosity. How much more effort should
I have to make to offer what I know out of nothing more than my own commitment
to the betterment of the trade and to help others who are trying to
learn. Respectfully, I think you have it backwards.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Great
efforts on a bad idea are still great efforts and can be applauded. But
they don’t make the idea any better. And while we may very well disagree
on the merits of the idea, I would hope that people (including those who made
the great efforts) could keep those things separate.
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Love</SPAN></DIV>
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