<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'> <div>Those are tephlon wips right?</div> <div>Denis<br> <br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"></div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Love <davidlovepianos@comcast.net><br> To: caut <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:29 pm<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Interesting<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91> <STYLE>#AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 td{color: black;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 a:link,#AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #AOLMsgPart_1_e6e50f55-dcfe-4e6e-8070-836c4c1ffb91 div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} </STYLE> <div class=WordSection1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’m not a fan of turbo wippens if they can be avoided.  All of those 1970’s pianos will require a switch to 17 mm knuckles when replacing parts (at least I haven’t met one that didn’t so far).  Sometimes a capstan move is required as well.  There was a between period after they went to the accelerated action but kept the 16 (or 15.5!) mm knuckle position and it was pretty much a disaster with 7 or 8 leads in the lower part of the piano and high touch weights as you report along with high inertia.  Nasty things to play in spite of the adaptability of most pianists.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Once you are able to determine the match for leverage and hammer weight you’ll likely be able to avoid the turbo wippens.  Look for someone who is teaching Stanwood methodology in KC.   It’s really the most direct method of analyzing this stuff but a grounding in action analysis the “old” way is also a good foundation as it tells you much about how the action will regulate.  </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">David Love</SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" target=_blank>www.davidlovepianos.com</A></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></div> <div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"> <div class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A> [<A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul T Williams<br> <B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:16 PM<br> <B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A><br> <B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Interesting</SPAN></div> </div> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">thanks, David.  I'll be taking those classes! Do you like the turbo wips? It helped some on one of the other prof's 70's steinway B....  I just don't like the $850 for them if I can help it.</SPAN> <br> <br> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Paul</SPAN> <br> <br> <br> </div> <TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">From:</SPAN> </div> </TD> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">"David Love" <<A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> </div> </TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">To:</SPAN> </div> </TD> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt"><<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>></SPAN> </div> </TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Date:</SPAN> </div> </TD> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">06/22/2011 03:55 PM</SPAN> </div> </TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Subject:</SPAN> </div> </TD> <TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Re: [CAUT] Interesting</SPAN></div> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal> </div> <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center> <HR style="COLOR: #aca899" align=center SIZE=2 width="100%" noShade> </div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><br> <br> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You can’t make decisions about moving capstans until you know how friction is contributing to your problem.  You shouldn’t make decisions about replacing parts without an analysis of the action leverage and the weight of the component parts.   If the action was heavy with lots of lead before and you use the same specs to replace the parts why would you expect anything different?  DW by itself won’t tell you much, you have to check the upweight as well.  Not sure where to start but I wouldn’t look to center pin lubricants to solve your problems generally.   Kansas City is offering some good classes on this very subject.  Good place to start.  </SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">David Love</SPAN> <br> <A><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">www.davidlovepianos.com</SPAN></A> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN> <br> <B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</A> [</SPAN><A href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul T Williams<B><br> Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:16 PM<B><br> To:</B> mick johnson; <A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A><B><br> Subject:</B> [CAUT] Interesting</SPAN> <br>   <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mick and all.</SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br> I asked Mick about heavy DW on a '79 Steinway B.  I just replaced all hammers and shanks with S&S parts that weighed out the same as the old ones...just a little heavier since the old ones had been filed a few times. (I call this Ham-shanks when making notes)</SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br> Before DW was over 60g in the bass, and high 50's in the treble.  Lots of lead in the keys. Ugh! (thinking about moving the capstans)</SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br> Just for fun, before I left for a couple hours, I McLubed the wippen action centers.  When I came back, the samples I juiced did indeed come down about 10g!!  I'm sure it's just a short term fix, but wondered if yall have tried this?</SPAN> <br> <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br> Paul</SPAN> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font>