<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> <div>Paul</div> <div> </div> <div>It would be very cost effective to have the university people do the moving. The school needs to buy the dolly, skid board, and blankets, but if you've observed enough moves you should be able to supervise the moves. If possible, try to get the same crew to do this every time, so you don't have to keep teaching what to do. <br> </div> <div>Since I did a lot of moving myself in the past, I only supervised, but did half the work. But there is no need to be that much involved. Once the crew gets the hang of it, moving a piano is not that difficult.</div> <div> </div> <div>I used to move the uprights myself, even getting them up on a dolly. But if I was still at a school, I would now ask for help. </div> <div> </div> <div>Moving the grands on stage is for the students who are responsible for that. The most you might need to do is instruct them how to move a piano through a door.</div> <div> </div> <div>Wim<br> </div> <div style="CLEAR: both"> <div> </div> </div> <br> <br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Paul Milesi <paul@pmpiano.com><br> To: PTG CAUT List <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:22 pm<br> Subject: [CAUT] Moving Grand Pianos Intra-Department<br> <br> <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12px" id=AOLMsgPart_0_0efedb1f-011c-4751-921c-c514b4facef8><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>We need to move a few grand pianos within our music department at school. No stairs are involved, just breaking down, relocating via dolly and elevator, and setting up again. In the past, the department has used outside professional piano movers, both from a dealer and independent. I have suggested that this is not cost-effective, and indeed we now don't have the money for imminent required moves. I have previously put forth the idea of using either students or physical plant/maintenance staff. Of course the student idea was shot down because of liability issues. But what about maintenance staff? Although I am not a piano mover per se, I've probably witnessed enough moves and stood by insisting on removal of the lyre, etc. to be able to instruct and provide guidance to those with the brawn I lack. What do those on the list think? How do your schools move pianos internally, and what is your personal involvement? Do you supervise or instruct/teach proper moving techniques? At $250 for one standard move, it seems to me that a change in policy here could save our department literally thousands of dollars. While we're on the moving topic: Do you yourselves ever move uprights, or lend a hand positioning pianos on a recital stage or in a studio? Just curious. Paul Milesi RPT Washington DC (202) 246-3136 Cell/Text <A href="mailto:paul@pmpiano.com">paul@pmpiano.com</A> <A href="http://www.pmpiano.com/" target=_blank>http://www.pmpiano.com</A> </TT></PRE></div> </div> </font>