<HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Shank glue</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Thanks Ron. I was not thinking about using it with the WNG shanks because after having used the CA gel on one set, I like working with the stuff (better than anticipated). But I am curious about the woodworking qualities of the glues. I appreciate the information about it in working with it for other purposes. Alan <HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="95%">From: Ron Nossaman <<a href="rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> Reply-To: CAUTlist <<a href="caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:59:27 -0700 To: CAUTlist <<a href="caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a>> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Shank glue On 5/8/2012 11:32 AM, McCoy, Alan wrote: > Thanks Dale. I may give them both a shot to see what they are like. Alan, If you're talking about WN&G shanks, I wouldn't. They went to the CA because of something I talked to Bruce about when the carbon fiber shanks first appeared. CF doesn't change dimension with humidity changes, wood moldings do. So the odds of putting the two together with a woodworking glue and getting them to stay there through a few years of the humidity swings a lot of us experience through the year isn't a good bet. The glue doesn't bond to the CF, and you only get the mechanical "tooth" holding it there if you rough it up adequately. Apparently, enough hammers fell off after installation that they went to the CA. Incidentally, Assembly 65 is RF response quick cure (or heat by other means) too. I've been using some of Dale's Titebond 50, and like it for some things. It seems to require somewhat less clamp time before you can get on with cutting and shaping a rough glue-up than does Titebond original. That's good for the pathologically impatient, like me, but it's much harder to control under the clamps. The TB 50 tends to squirm and skate much worse than the TB original, so it requires more attention and constraint. I haven't used it for lamination of curved stuff yet, so I don't know exactly what to expect there as far as safe cycle time. Both dry harder than TB original, with the Assy 65 herder than TB 50. Both look like first rate glues, depending on your use, needs, and habits. Ron N </BODY> </HTML>