<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I use carbon paper, only in the areas that are high (where the plate rocks) you can change the location of the carbon paper every time. Read your marks carefully and patiently. Also pay attention to the fit on the surface under the tuning pins that is never flat. Sometimes much thoughtful reduction is needed there (sometimes adding and redudcing a layer of veneer at the right location is appropriate).If the block is flexed into contact on this area the fit the  at the flange changes and vice versa too (did I spell that wrong--I never wrote vice versa before).</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I also sometimes use a graphite brush on solution in addition to the carbon paper or just lightly fine sanding whatever is on the flange already can sometimes re-activate what was there. I might spend many hours (4-8??) doing this fitting.<br></span></div><div> </div><div style="text-align:center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Jonathan Moberg</span></div><div style="text-align:center;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">Moberg Piano Sales & Service</font></div><div style="text-align:center;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif">414-962-2227</font></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "caut-request@ptg.org" <caut-request@ptg.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> caut@ptg.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:24 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> CAUT Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13<br> </font> </div> <br>----- Forwarded Message -----<br><br> Send CAUT mailing list submissions to<br>    <a ymailto="mailto:caut@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>    https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>    <a ymailto="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut-request@ptg.org">caut-request@ptg.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>    <a ymailto="mailto:caut-owner@ptg.org" href="mailto:caut-owner@ptg.org">caut-owner@ptg.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of CAUT digest..."<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>  1. Re: Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks (Greg Newell)<br>  2. Re: Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks (Dale Erwin)<br><div id="yiv1322113898"><style></style><div><div class="yiv1322113898WordSection1"><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Try Petroleum jelly instead of water.</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><a href="" rel="nofollow" name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:black;">  </span></a></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kidwell, Ted W<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2012 2:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> caut@ptg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAUT] Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal">  </div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I just fitted a block last week and used the method taught by Christian Bolduc. I mixed a thick slurry of red carpenters chalk and water. I kept it as thick as possible that could be brushed. I painted it on the plate pretty thick and let it completely dry before tapping the block in. It is a bit gloppy but that does not matter. The tapping will knock it down. I did have to reapply in some areas once just as I was at the end of the process.  </span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">  </span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The only downside is that I spent about half an hour cleaning the plate afterwards since the slurry drips down onto the top of the plate. It is easy to clean off though.</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">  </span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">Ted Kidwell, RPT</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">California State University, Sacramento</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">Capistrano Hall, rm. 153</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">6000 J Street</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">Sacramento, CA 95819-6015</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:navy;">916.278.6737</span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">  </span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Eder<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2012 9:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [CAUT] Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks</span></div></div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal">  </div><div><div id="yiv1322113898AOLMsgPart_1_ebcd5d06-6d90-45b6-a700-9f0ab30ba803"><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">List,  </span></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">This request for input just in from someone who does not normally monitor this list. Please respond on-list, and I will forward to him.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Many thanks,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Alan Eder</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Richard Davenport writes:</span></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div><div id="yiv1322113898AOLMsgPart_1_5de1b936-93e1-4ec9-8478-96f12a4a4ea6"><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Any thoughts about what coating is most effective (leaves the best mark and lasts the longest between applications) on the plate flange when fitting a pinblock. I've used carpenters blue chalk and black carpenter's crayons and they're both a mess to use and have to be reapplied frequently. There has to be something that lasts longer and is easier to apply. </span></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">  </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Thanks</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">Richard</span><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:mediumblue;">Davenport Tools</span><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv1322113898MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:mediumblue;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.rcdavenport.com/">www.rcdavenport.com</a></span><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv1157275128"><font color="navy" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Hi Greg<br>  </font></font>I wou<font color="navy" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="2">ldn't recommend puttin that on a pinblock/wood. I'd not risk it creeping  like oil<br> <br> <div style="clear:both;"><font color="royalblue" size="1"><b><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"><font color="black"><font color="mediumblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Dale Erwin R.P.T.<br> <font color="green">Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.</font><br> </font></font></font></b></font><font color="darkgreen"><span style="font-style:italic;"><b><font size="1"><font color="black" size="1"><font color="blueviolet"><font color="black"> <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">Mason & Hamlin</font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">/Steinway/</font><font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif">U.S. pianos<br> CSUS<br> </font><font face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif"> </font></font></font></font><font color="cornflowerblue" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="1">www.Erwinspiano.com</font><font size="1"><br> </font><font color="crimson" face="Comic Sans MS, sans-serif" size="1">Phone: 209-577-8397</font><br> <font color="darkgreen"></font></font></b></span></font><tt><tt><font color="darkgreen"><br>  </font><br>   <font size="2"></font></tt></tt><br> <br> </div> <br> <br> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net><br> To: caut <caut@ptg.org><br> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2012 6:09 pm<br> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks<br> <br> <div id="yiv1157275128AOLMsgPart_1_b72dd697-1f1a-4f74-a147-07abd45f59fb"> <style>#yiv1157275128 #yiv1157275128AOLMsgPart_1_b72dd697-1f1a-4f74-a147-07abd45f59fb td{color:black;} _filtered #yiv1157275128 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1157275128 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1157275128 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1157275128 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1157275128 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#yiv1157275128AOLMsgPart_1_b72dd697-1f1a-4f74-a147-07abd45f59fb div.yiv1157275128WordSection1 {}</style> <div class="yiv1157275128WordSection1"> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Try Petroleum jelly instead of water.</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><a href="" rel="nofollow" name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:black;"> </span></a></div> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kidwell, Ted W<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2012 2:08 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CAUT] Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks</span></div> </div> </div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"> </div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I just fitted a block last week and used the method taught by Christian Bolduc. I mixed a thick slurry of red carpenters chalk and water. I kept it as thick as possible that could be brushed. I painted it on the plate pretty thick and let it completely dry before tapping the block in. It is a bit gloppy but that does not matter. The tapping will knock it down. I did have to reapply in some areas once just as I was at the end of the process.  </span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">The only downside is that I spent about half an hour cleaning the plate afterwards since the slurry drips down onto the top of the plate. It is easy to clean off though.</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Ted Kidwell, RPT</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">California State University, Sacramento</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Capistrano Hall, rm. 153</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">6000 J Street</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Sacramento, CA 95819-6015</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">916.278.6737</span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">caut-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Eder<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2012 9:09 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:caut@ptg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [CAUT] Fwd: Plate coating for fitting pinblocks</span></div> </div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"> </div> <div> <div id="yiv1157275128AOLMsgPart_1_ebcd5d06-6d90-45b6-a700-9f0ab30ba803"> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">List,  </span></div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">This request for input just in from someone who does not normally monitor this list. Please respond on-list, and I will forward to him.</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Many thanks,</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Alan Eder</span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Richard Davenport writes:</span></div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> <div id="yiv1157275128AOLMsgPart_1_5de1b936-93e1-4ec9-8478-96f12a4a4ea6"> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Any thoughts about what coating is most effective (leaves the best mark and lasts the longest between applications) on the plate flange when fitting a pinblock. I've used carpenters blue chalk and black carpenter's crayons and they're both a mess to use and have to be reapplied frequently. There has to be something that lasts longer and is easier to apply. </span></div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="">Thanks</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Richard</span><span style=""></span></div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Davenport Tools</span><span style=""></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="yiv1157275128MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.rcdavenport.com/">www.rcdavenport.com</a></span><span style=""></span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font></font></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>CAUT mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:CAUT@ptg.org" href="mailto:CAUT@ptg.org">CAUT@ptg.org</a><br><a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target="_blank">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a><br><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>