<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=Windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=620551603-02042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000> I wouldn't = take the approach of "selling" someone on a hammer.  = </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=620551603-02042003><FONT size=2>Thanks Dave.  = I just mean that if I prefer hammer Z, it would be helpful to be able to name brands = that use Z.  Renner, for instance is the only company I see that = advertises MFG using their hammers.  I would also be interested to know who uses = what to better understand the hammer's part in creating the tone that the piano = is known for, etc.   Such as piano X is known for being warm and lots = of color and they use brand Q hammer, etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=620551603-02042003> <P><FONT size=2>Lance Lafargue, RPT<BR>Mandeville, LA<BR>New Orleans = Chapter, PTG<BR>lancelafargue@bellsouth.net<BR>985.72P.IANO</FONT> = </P></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>David = Love<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> caut<BR><B>Subject:</B> = FW: RE: Hammers <BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Sorry:  I sent this to = the pianotech list by mistake.  Should have responded to the caut list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> <DIV>David Love</DIV> <DIV><A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=davidlovepianos@earthlink.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 4/1/2003 5:27:48 PM = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Hammers </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2>Lance:  <BR><BR>I don't know the = answer to your questions, but you could ask the manufacturers:  Wally = Brooks (for Abel), Lloyd Meyer (for Renner), and Ari Isaac.   Don't = discount Ronsen hammers either.   I wouldn't take the approach of = "selling" someone on a hammer.  When you are going to do a hammer job, = put on a sample or two if you are not sure what will sound best.  = Usually one around note 40 and one around note 60 will give a good indication if = you think the customer is capable of choosing.  I usually carry a = few sample hammers of each of the manufacturers that I tend to use, = shanks can be made to work on any piano.  I sometimes like to hear what = the differences are myself to see what the piano will deliver.  My tendency, however, is to stick to one or two types of hammers:  = One very resilient hammer that will develop nicely for a lively board, = and one <U>slightly</U> firmer when th! at is needed.  I don't put = really hard hammers on much of anything.  There are exceptions, of course, = and with certain manufacturers I tend to stick with the program, as it = were.  I think you will find a range of tastes among rebuilders for make and = style of hammer.  I think it's important to work toward developing your = own sense of what constitutes good tone.  Unfortunately, there are = no shortcuts, it comes from years of careful and comparative listening.<BR><BR>David Love<BR>davidlovepianos@earthlink.net<BR><BR><BR>> [Original Message]<BR>> From: Lance Lafargue <lancelafargue@bellsouth.net><BR>> To: Caut \(E-mail\) <caut@ptg.org><BR>> Date: 4/1/2003 5:00:38 PM<BR>> = Subject: Hammers (resend)<BR>><BR>> I thought I'd post this again; got = no takers the first time.  You may<BR>> respond personally if = you feel the need.....  Thanks in advance.<BR>><BR>> In our recent = thread on Isaac hammers I began to w! onder who makes hammers<BR>> for manufactures...  I see the list from Renner's web site on who = they make<BR>> hammers for, but I am also told that Abel is huge (the = largest) in Europe<BR>> and makes hammers for many of the same brands = Renner mentions.  Does anyone<BR>> have a source (I've tried to get = it visiting several MFG web sites) for who<BR>> makes what for = whom?  Does a mfr use Isaac hammers?, etc... What hammers are<BR>> = _only_ used for aftermarket rebuilders?  I'd like to be able to use = that<BR>> info to sell certain hammers for certain pianos, considering what the<BR>> customer is telling me they like, especially when it is = not a familiar name<BR>> to the customer at hand.  Some ONLY want Steinway, some know Abel, some know<BR>> Renner,etc., etc.  Thankfully, most of my customers leave it to me  ; ) I<BR>> = have two brands that I like.<BR>> Thanks.<BR>><BR>> Lance Lafargue, RPT<BR>> Mand! eville, LA<BR>> New Orleans Chapter, = PTG<BR>> lancelafargue@bellsouth.net<BR>> 985.72P.IANO<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> caut list = info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> caut list = info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQU= OTE></BODY></HTML>