<HTML>In a message dated 6/20/03 12:18:56 PM Central Dayligh= t Time, hoffsoco@martin.luther.edu writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Adding to that, most of us are = in what I call "Terminal Entry Level Positions". We are the only ones, so no chance of advancement.  Our pay scale will = be pegged to wherever we start,  riding up or down with cost of living, or= however they figure pay scales, but never getting to a higher scale since <B= R> we never are "promoted". </BLOCKQUOTE> That's another place where maybe the CAUT can do some good. Teachers get mor= e pay with advancement, from instructor, to associate professor, to full pro= fessor. Even secretaries go from one pay scale to another, without having to= leave the school. But, as Conrad said, we are stuck. Maybe CAUT can promote tying our pay to our education. Not only as a startin= g point, as in being an RPT, and/or having an advanced "real" education, lik= e a BS or MA degree, but also with additional courses taken at seminars and = convention. Although this might be more along the lines of getting some sort= of certification, for which there wasn't too much support, if the certifica= tion could mean more money, it might be something that would have some suppo= rt. Wim </HTML>