<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3A222.BFCB5EF0"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> David,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I = agree.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> There’s another thing I like = about the SAT III besides weight.  I don’t know how many times I’ve dropped it and it seems nearly = indestructible! <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Jim = Busby<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of David's Email Sent: = <st1:date Month="11" Day="3" Year="2003">Monday, November 03, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="14" Minute="46">2:46 PM</st1:time> To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: = ETD's <o:p> </o:p> <div> Jim,<o:p></o:p= > </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Al went from one reading to = three readings and I would imagine he will up his SAT IV to compete against = the multiple partial machines if and when he does that.  $ to be made = on upgrading....;-]<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> There was a time when the = more toys the better but I'm simplifying my career.  Almost strictly field = work so I pack it in.  My arms are long enough.  No, I don't want to = pull along something on wheels.  University work would probably necessitate = carrying everything you might need from one room to the next...?  I can go = out to my car when I need something...<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> David = I.<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu" title="jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim = Busby</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" title="caut@ptg.org">College and = University Technicians</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > <st1:date Month="11" Day="3" Year="2003">Monday, November 03, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="38">11:38 AM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: = ETD's<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> David,<o:p></o:p>= <o:p> </o:p>=          On the second tuning, after it had all the partials recorded, the Verituner did nearly = what the DOB function does on the SAT III by expanding the double octave, and = over the break it really made the tuning smoother. With the SAT, I nearly = always disagree with a “stock” tuning but, I need to add, Al = Sanderson is emphatic about the need to use your aural skills and use the SAT as a = tool, not the end thereof. That is one of the reasons he added the DOB function. = Also, the 6:3 octaves in the bass sometimes bother me on larger scales so I = tune 8:4 and sometimes 12:6 on the very bottom. Dr. Sanderson says he used a = certain university’s piano faculty (Harvard??) as a basis for those = octaves, so it was a subjective decision.<o:p></o:p>          Dr. Sanderson = wrote a very energetic article defending his FAC numbers and discounting the “multiple partial” method of other ETDs as unnecessary. No = doubt he is a whiz and his product is great, but I still like the bells and = whistles on the <st1:PersonName>Verituner<= /font></st1:PersonName> and RCT. <o:p></o:p>          One of the introductions of Al Sanderson at a convention went something like this “Al Sanderson has single handedly raised the level of tunings in = the world.”  He is a = wonderful technician with a great product so I’m not getting rid of my SAT = in the near future!<o:p></o:p>          Hope that = answers your question.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= Jim Busby = RPT<o:p></o:p> BYU<o:p></o:p></s= pan> <o:p> </o:p>= -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of David's Email Sent: = <st1:date Month="11" Day="1" Year="2003">Saturday, November 01, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="17" Minute="25">5:25 PM</st1:time> To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: = ETD's<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Jim, = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I'm interested in how the = Verituner tweeked the tuning like your ear would.  What does that mean?  = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> David = I.<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From: <a href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu" title="jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim Busby</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net" title="davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.net</a>= ; <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" title="caut@ptg.org">College and = University Technicians</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > <st1:date Month="11" Day="1" Year="2003">Saturday, November 01, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="12" Minute="37">12:37 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: = ETD's<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Ditto what Dave said. I really like the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName>. Jim Coleman’s class on ETD’s is great if you haven’t taken = it. The bottom line seems to be; any one of the 4 can do whatever you want = IF you know how to use them and IF you use your aural skills. I’ve used = all but Tunelab. If you’re into computers and really high tech stuff, try Cybertuner. If you’ve used SAT 1 you’ll like the III. = It’s a workhorse. I recharge mine once a month, and I love the DOB feature. AND = you can still tweek the numbers. I’ve tuned several pianos with the = <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> and had the SAT side by side, and I can say that they agreed on the first tuning = (<st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> takes in partials on the first tuning) but on the 2nd tuning the = <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> tweeked the tuning the way I would have by ear. (Mostly. I still check and = change some things with the <st1:PersonName>Verituner<= /font></st1:PersonName>. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= I know a technician in <st1:State><st1:place>Cal.</font= ></st1:place></st1:State> that swears he can tune with a Stobocon and make it work! = (Maybe he can, maybe he can’t…)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of David Love Sent: = <st1:date Month="11" Day="1" Year="2003">Saturday, November 01, = 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="38">11:38 AM</st1:time> To: College and = University Technicians Subject: RE: = ETD's<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> I've used the SAT = III and the Verituner (which I now use and prefer).  The Verituner, IMO, = delivers a better no brainer tuning, nice pitch raise function, good data = storage, and finds any note you play.  The only down side is that it's bigger, = heavier and the battery life is shorter 8 hours).  I carry the charger/adapter with me.  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div> David = Love<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From: <a href="mailto:dforman@rider.edu" title="dforman@rider.edu">Dave Forman</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To: = <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" = title="caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > <st1:date Month="11" Day="1" Year="2003">11/1/2003</st1:date> 9:00:39 = AM <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> = ETD's<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Caut,<o:p></o:p></fon= t> I’m considering = buying a new tuner, and I’m looking for advice. I’m looking at the SAT, Cybertuner, and Verituner. What are your experiences with these, which = do you prefer, and why. I‘ve used an SAT I for 12 years, and I’m = wondering if the newer devices do give a better = tuning.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></fo= nt> Dave = Forman<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Westminster</s= t1:PlaceName> = <st1:PlaceName>Choir</st1:Pla= ceName> = <st1:PlaceType>College</st1:P= laceType></st1:place> of = <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Rider</st1:Pla= ceName> = <st1:PlaceType>University</st= 1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p= > </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>