<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Temp Strips</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>I don't use a temp strip either...haven't for years...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David I.</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR><BR>On 7/28/01 at 8:42 AM Joe & Penny Goss wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My process is similar to yours. But I use two mutes and no temp strip.  On uprights one large fat one for the bass and a split rubber with spring steel handel for the tenor on up. To get into the area at the top of the dampers, the split muteis placed on a belt sander to make a smaller tip on the split mute.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On grands its the large single mute for all except the high treble. I know that this may be a little slower than strip muting the entire piano, but  getting the two outside wires to agree with each other </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>lets me get better unisons that stay where they are put. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Any two strings slightly out of tune will sound out of tune, but three strings slightly out of tune will sound as one" Kimball Stout's theory of three.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However my last check is to listen to the unison as a whole with all three strings sounding.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@jps.net href="mailto:ilvey@jps.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 27, 2001 2:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Temp Strips</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I use two mutes and do tune the middle string first except at struts.  Right string mute moves up to next unison's right string.  Tune right string to middle.  Left string mute moves up to next unison's left string.  Tune left string to middle.  When in the treble on uprights with space problems with the dampers I do use one mute with left string first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David I.</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR><BR>On 7/27/01 at 10:32 PM David Graham wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">Hi all- my variation on this was to snip the loop off a regular mute handle.. On one end is a 3/4 in mute, on the other is a 1/2 in mute, so I use it for both grands and uprights. It has the advantage of being long enough that it won't fall down through the upright action (usually).<BR>---<BR>David Graham <dcgrpt@earthlink.net><BR><BR><BR>----------<BR>From: "Mike McCoy" <mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net><BR>To: <ctuner@reyburn.com><BR>Subject: Fw: Temp Strips<BR>Date: Thu, Jul 26, 2001, 7:49 PM<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT size=2>Hi Bruce, Alan and other non-strippers!<BR><BR>    If you are using mutes only going from bottom to top or top to bottom do<BR>I assume you are not tuning the center string of a 3-string unison first?<BR>IE: you put a mute between the mid and 2nd string to mute them both then<BR>tune the left string, then complete the unison and move on?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR>Mike McCoy RPT<BR>So Central Pa Chapter 170 & SEPA 190 PTG<BR>Langhorne, Pa<BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Alan McCoy" <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>amccoy@icehouse.net</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:amccoy@icehouse.net</U></FONT>> ><BR>To: "Cybertuner" <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT>> ><BR>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:16 AM<BR>Subject: RE: Temp. strips.<BR><BR><BR>> Bruce,<BR>><BR>> I chucked my strip a while ago and like it too. Except that on verticals I<BR>> still strip out the tenor. I find it easier to strip it out than to use a<BR>> mute, even though I still tune unisons as I go. There is something about<BR>> fiddling with a mute on a vertical in that section (with strings unevenly<BR>> spaced, older eyes and the ever-present klutz factor - mutes falling into<BR>> inaccessible places in the action and other mishaps  :-) ) A grand on the<BR>> other hand is easy for even me to use a single mute throughout the scale.<BR>><BR>> Alan<BR>><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: Bruce Genck [<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:brgenck@honeycomb.net</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:brgenck@honeycomb.net</U></FONT>> ]<BR>> > Sent: July 25, 2001 6:24 PM<BR>> > To: <FONT color=#0000ff><U>ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT>> <BR>> > Subject: Temp. strips.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Carl & Mitch,<BR>> ><BR>> > I talked with you both at the convention about the use of temp. strips<BR>> > when tuning.  You advised me to<BR>> > throw them away and tune with a mute doing unisons as I go from the<BR>> > bottom all the way up.  Well, I've tried it again and like it alot.  My<BR>> > tunings are more stable, and it's taking me less time!<BR>> ><BR>> > I thought you might like to know that someone does actually listen to<BR>> > you :-)  I've now tried hundreds of pianos both ways and the difference<BR>> > is huge.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for giving me a push.<BR>> ><BR>> > Bruce Genck<BR>> ><BR>><BR>Mike McCoy RPT<BR>So Central Pa Chapter 170 & SEPA 190 PTG<BR>Langhorne, Pa<BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2 Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT size=2 Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>