<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3A207.5E1C7560" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="time" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="date" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>Jim,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Al went from one reading to three = readings and I would imagine he will up his SAT IV to compete against the multiple = partial machines if and when he does that.  $ to be made on upgrading....;-]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There was a time when the more toys the = better but I'm simplifying my career.  Almost strictly field work so I pack it = in.  My arms are long enough.  No, I don't want to pull along something on wheels.  University work would probably necessitate = carrying everything you might need from one room to the next...?  I can go = out to my car when I need something...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David I.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=jim_busby@byu.edu href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim = Busby</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 = 11:38 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: ETD's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> David,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>             On the second tuning, after it had all the partials recorded, = the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> did nearly = what the DOB function does on the SAT III by expanding the double octave, and = over the break it really made the tuning smoother. With the SAT, I nearly = always disagree with a “stock” tuning but, I need to add, Al Sanderson is = emphatic about the need to use your aural skills and use the SAT as a tool, not = the end thereof. That is one of the reasons he added the DOB function. Also, = the 6:3 octaves in the bass sometimes bother me on larger scales so I tune 8:4 = and sometimes 12:6 on the very bottom. Dr. Sanderson says he used a = certain university’s piano faculty (Harvard??) as a basis for those octaves, = so it was a subjective decision.<o:p></o:p>             Dr. Sanderson wrote a very energetic article defending his FAC = numbers and discounting the “multiple partial” method of other ETDs as = unnecessary. No doubt he is a whiz and his product is great, but I still like the = bells and whistles on the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> and RCT. <o:p></o:p>             One of the introductions of Al Sanderson at a convention went = something like this “Al Sanderson has single handedly raised the level of = tunings in the world.”  He is a = wonderful technician with a great product so I’m not getting rid of my SAT in = the near future!<o:p></o:p>             Hope that answers your question.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <st1:PersonName>Jim Busby</st1:PersonName> RPT<o:p></o:p> BYU<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of David's = Email Sent: <st1:date = Year="2003" Day="1" Month="11">Saturday, November 01, 2003</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="25" Hour="17">5:25 PM</st1:time> To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: ETD's <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Jim, <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> I'm interested in how = the Verituner tweeked the tuning like your ear would.  What does that = mean?  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> David I.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt = 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=jim_busby@byu.edu href="mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu">Jim = Busby</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=davidlovepianos@earthlink.net = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</A> ; <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and = University Technicians</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Sent: <st1:date Year="2003" Day="1" Month="11">Saturday, November 01, 2003</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="37" Hour="12">12:37 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Subject: RE: ETD's<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> Ditto what Dave said. I really like the = <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName>. Jim = Coleman’s class on ETD’s is great if you haven’t taken it. The bottom line = seems to be; any one of the 4 can do whatever you want IF you know how to use = them and IF you use your aural skills. I’ve used all but Tunelab. If = you’re into computers and really high tech stuff, try Cybertuner. If you’ve = used SAT 1 you’ll like the III. It’s a workhorse. I recharge mine once a = month, and I love the DOB feature. AND you can still tweek the numbers. I’ve = tuned several pianos with the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> and had = the SAT side by side, and I can say that they agreed on the first tuning (<st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> takes in = partials on the first tuning) but on the 2nd tuning the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName> tweeked = the tuning the way I would have by ear. (Mostly. I still check and change some = things with the <st1:PersonName>Verituner</st1:PersonName>. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I know a technician in <st1:State><st1:place>Cal.</st1:place></st1:State> that = swears he can tune with a Stobocon and make it work! (Maybe he can, maybe he can’t…)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of David = Love Sent: <st1:date = Year="2003" Day="1" Month="11">Saturday, November = 01, 2003</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="38" Hour="11">11:38 AM</st1:time> To: College and University Technicians Subject: RE: ETD's<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> I've used the SAT III and the Verituner (which I now use and prefer).  = The Verituner, IMO, delivers a better no brainer tuning, nice pitch = raise function, good data storage, and finds any note you play.  The = only down side is that it's bigger, heavier and the battery life is shorter 8 hours).  I carry the charger/adapter with = me.  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> David Love<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</A><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; = PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt = solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original = Message ----- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=dforman@rider.edu href="mailto:dforman@rider.edu">Dave = Forman</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To: <A = title=caut@ptg.org = href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A><o:p></o:p></P= ></DIV> <DIV> Sent: <st1:date Year="2003" Day="1" Month="11">11/1/2003</st1:date> 9:00:39 AM <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Subject: ETD's<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> Caut,<o:p></o:p> I’m considering = buying a new tuner, and I’m looking for advice. I’m looking at the SAT, = Cybertuner, and Verituner. What are your experiences with these, which do you = prefer, and why. I‘ve used an SAT I for 12 years, and I’m wondering if the = newer devices do give a better tuning.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Dave Forman<o:p></o:p> Westminster Choir = College of <st1:place>Rider <st1:PlaceType>University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLO= CKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>