<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Barbara, Bill,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Sorry Bill, I'm not a big fan = of the carts either. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>They are removed from the piano at = precisely the time I don't want "anything" changing around the piano. = </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>We do use them in Banff, = but only in the Rolston Recital Hall, and only (I believe) because this is one = hall where ambient conditions are indeed monitored and = controlled. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I've encountered mold in only = one instance Bill (sorry to hear of your experiences); a new-to-me client = with an 1970's L: the tank was plugged directly into the wall... as in = bypass the humidistat!  (need I say more?) </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I'm not sure of the material Bill = refers to Barbara, but the cloth Dampp-Chaser's under-covers are made = from will not absorb sound, they're acoustic grille cloth. For all practical purposes: acoustic impact = zero.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>So I will vote for an installed = system with undercover. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>The first benefit being to buffer = the piano's climate from changes and high air-movement within the hall.  </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>   </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>The second really, is to nicely = hide the installation. Even if there is the odd wrinkle or bulge in the = cloth, from the front row the underside of the piano looks like a "sea of black."</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>We've installed a few Barbara, so = if I can provide any install tips; <A href="mailto:cramer@brandonu.ca">cramer@brandonu.ca</A></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Meanwhile, something the two of = you (and others?) may be interested in as well:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I've just installed an "un-plug" = alarm in one of our ensemble rooms.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Un-plug the piano, and a concealed = beeper sounds until the piano is plugged back in. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>So far so good. I've posted = instructions (that even music students can read), the piano has been moved, and the = "movee" figured out the "prompt" immediately.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Sorry I cannot provide mechanical = details, as one of our engineers devised it. Basically it's a relay = with a 9v batter and a pulse beeper. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>best regards to you = both,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Mark Cramer,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Brandon University</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>  </SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=Tahoma> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><SPAN class=040220022-13092005><FONT = face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=040220022-13092005><FONT = face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=040220022-13092005><FONT = face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=040220022-13092005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bdshull@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] DC system = on stage<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV> <DIV>Hi, Barbara, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My experience with buckets tight up to the soundboard is that the = board discolors, mold develops, and condensation causes hardwood = floors to betray water overhead.....Don't ask me how I know...but shortly = after that nasty experience several years ago Damppchaser extended the hanger = length considerably.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A cover under the piano will certainly affect the reflection of sound...but there are probably folks on the list who could tell you = how much, in their own experience....I'm interested too!   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just to go with my "cart" idea again....the cart can be kept = under the piano on stage, and removed just for performances, of = course....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OR....the piano can be equipped with heater bars and humidistat, = and the cart only with humidifiers, and used as much as possible.   = </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill Shull</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 9/13/2005 1:20:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, piano57@insightbb.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks, Bill.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hmm....my goal was a system that could = always be plugged in (there are a lot of outlets on that black stage floor), = to avoid the syndrome of nice-atmosphere-while-in-storage and then all = heck breaks out when it's moved on stage.  You know what I = mean?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:Bdshull@aol.com href="mailto:Bdshull@aol.com">Bdshull@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=mailto:caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September = 13, 2005 3:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] DC = system on stage</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>In a message dated 9/13/2005 12:59:21 PM = Pacific Daylight Time, </FONT><A title=mailto:piano57@insightbb.com href="mailto:piano57@insightbb.com"><FONT face=Arial>piano57@insightbb.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial> writes:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue = 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Does anyone have a picture of, or could = direct me to a picture of a Steinway D with a full DC system with undercover--preferably on a stage?   I have submitted = a proposal for the DC system, but a friend pointed out to me, that = sometimes, because the humidifier buckets hang down a bit, the = piano looks.........pregnant.   I doubt my technical = director would be happy with such a look and would like him to see it = before hand.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks much.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara Richmond, RPT</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara, If you could forego the = undercover, you could modify the Jahn stands which Dampp-chaser is experimenting with.  They are single system carts with a leg on each = corner, and need to be combined into a dual system stand which straddles the truck;   I did this during the summer, and will be = sending Roger Wheelock the modification drawings when I "get it = together."   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill = Shull</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>