<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3F788.AB7D89D0"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGT= YPE> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> Angles are steep and in this model = you may recall, the V bar goes through the tenor section, not just the treble. =  Tenor is where they are = breaking, which is weird.  = <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE = PIANOS<o:p></o:p> New Orleans = Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p><= /o:p> <st1:PersonName>= llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Ed Sutton Sent: Friday, February = 20, 2004 6:58 AM To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: hammer shank = length <o:p> </o:p> <div> Lance-<o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> What are the bearing angles = like in the front duplex of the new BB?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> In the late Aeolian BB's = the agraffe section is very short and the capo sections have very steep bearing = angles in the front.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> String travel problems - = excess tension in front duplex and sharp bend tending to injure the wire at the = V-bar, plus hard hammers hitting on the V-bar could cause string = breakage.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> You may be able to rehang = the hammers a little further back on the original shanks...no need to trim = hammer shanks!  And voicing hammers may help.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Ed = Sutton<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net" = title="llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" title="caut@ptg.org">'College and = University Technicians'</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:04 PM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: hammer shank length<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Thanks = Mark,<o:p></o:p> I don’t = mean to alarm anyone, I’m hoping there is a simple solution and not a = major problem here, too.  I know = the players at this piano and I don’t believe there is heavy playing.  Two broken strings in a month = and when I first saw the piano the hammers were hitting the V-bar at C8 = (dead).  I’m still waiting to hear = from tech support after talking to two other people who passed me around.  I’ll keep you = posted.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New = Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, = PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:Per= sonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p>= -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Mark Cramer Sent: = <st1:date Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February 19, = 2004</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="38" Hour="18">6:38 PM</st1:time> To: College and = University Technicians Subject: RE: hammer shank = length<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Lance,</fo= nt><o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I'm wondering about plate/bridge location (hence speaking length) when = you mention string breakage? <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I just can't believe this (the problem you describe) would happen in a new = Mason...say it ain't so!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> For Pete's sake, they're only producing two models of grands (currently), = you'd think they'd have the jigs right, especially when you see the size of plate-location pins they use! <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> In any case, the factory should be able to provide you with speaking length at = #88 for a quick reference. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I don't want to send you on a goose-chase Lance, but often find it useful to = look at a problem from more than one angle.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Best of luck!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Mark Cramer,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Brandon</st1:PlaceName> = <st1:PlaceName>University</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:= p> </div> <blockquote = style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -----Original Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]On = Behalf Of llafargue Sent: = <st1:date Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February 19, = 2004</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="50" Hour="11">11:50 AM</st1:time> To: 'College and = University Technicians' Subject: RE: hammer shank = length<o:p></o:p> I agree, it’s just hard to see what’s going on back there and I think ideally the hammers would be rehung, especially if it’s also = contributing to string breakage.  = I’ll study it closer to see if I can tell exactly what’s hitting back = there.  <o:p></o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New = Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, = PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:Per= sonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Erwinspiano@aol.com Sent: = <st1:date Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February 19, = 2004</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="8" Hour="9">9:08 AM</st1:time> To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: hammer shank = length<o:p></o:p> <div> <div> In a message dated = <st1:date Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">2/19/2004</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="26" Hour="6">6:26:20 AM</st1:time> Pacific Standard Time, llafargue@charter.net writes:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> 5” to 5 1/8”  <o:p></o:p> If the hammer is mounted much = longer than 5 1/8”, touch gets heavy, if shorter than 4 7/8”, you get regulation problems and reduces leverage.  Also, tails may hit whippen flanges when hammer comes to = rest.  <o:p></o:p> I just worked on a 2001 M&H BB = and the hammer line was so off, if you pushed the action in for proper strike @ = C8 the back checks interfere with sostenuto and under levers, no matter = what.  The piano is also breaking = strings at the V bar and I suspect the hammer line has something to do with it.  = Regards,<o:p></o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New = Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, = PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:Per= sonName><o:p></o:p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div>     &nbs= p;      Lance<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div>    In that case I see nothing wrong with using a motortool drum sander to = hollow out the back of the backcheck. Some new backcheck replacement I've used for = stwy's have this featire which is helpful when installing modern type back = action In an old stwy with minimal clearances. This might give you enough room to = move the action to its proper location. What do you = think?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div>    = Dale<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. Modesto, Ca 95357 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin Sales www.Erwinspiano.com<o:p></o:p> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>