<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Temp Strips</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My process is similar to yours. But I = use two mutes and no temp strip.  On uprights one large fat one for the bass = and a split rubber with spring steel handel for the tenor on up. To get into = the area at the top of the dampers, the split muteis placed on a belt sander to = make a smaller tip on the split mute.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On grands its the large single mute for = all except the high treble. I know that this may be a little slower than strip = muting the entire piano, but  getting the two outside wires to agree with each = other </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>lets me get better unisons that stay = where they are put. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Any two strings slightly out of tune = will sound out of tune, but three strings slightly out of tune will sound as one" = Kimball Stout's theory of three.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However my last check is to listen to = the unison as a whole with all three strings sounding.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@jps.net href="mailto:ilvey@jps.net">David = Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 27, 2001 = 2:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Temp Strips</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I use two mutes and do tune the middle string first except at struts.  Right string mute moves up to next unison's right = string.  Tune right string to middle.  Left string mute moves up to next = unison's left string.  Tune left string to middle.  When in the = treble on uprights with space problems with the dampers I do use one mute with = left string first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David I.</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR><BR>On 7/27/01 at 10:32 PM David Graham = wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid">Hi all- my variation on this was to snip the loop off a regular mute = handle.. On one end is a 3/4 in mute, on the other is a 1/2 in mute, so I use = it for both grands and uprights. It has the advantage of being long enough = that it won't fall down through the upright action = (usually).<BR>---<BR>David Graham <dcgrpt@earthlink.net><BR><BR><BR>----------<BR>From: "Mike = McCoy" <mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net><BR>To: <ctuner@reyburn.com><BR>Subject: Fw: Temp Strips<BR>Date: Thu, = Jul 26, 2001, 7:49 PM<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT size=2>Hi Bruce, Alan and other non-strippers!<BR><BR>    If you are using = mutes only going from bottom to top or top to bottom do<BR>I assume you are = not tuning the center string of a 3-string unison first?<BR>IE: you = put a mute between the mid and 2nd string to mute them both then<BR>tune the = left string, then complete the unison and move on?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR>Mike McCoy RPT<BR>So Central = Pa Chapter 170 & SEPA 190 PTG<BR>Langhorne, Pa<BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT> = <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Alan McCoy" = <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>amccoy@icehouse.net</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:amccoy@icehouse.net</U></FONT>> = ><BR>To: "Cybertuner" <<FONT = color=#0000ff><U>ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT> <<FONT = color=#0000ff><U>mailto:ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT>> ><BR>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:16 AM<BR>Subject: RE: = Temp. strips.<BR><BR><BR>> Bruce,<BR>><BR>> I chucked my strip = a while ago and like it too. Except that on verticals I<BR>> still = strip out the tenor. I find it easier to strip it out than to use a<BR>> = mute, even though I still tune unisons as I go. There is something = about<BR>> fiddling with a mute on a vertical in that section (with strings unevenly<BR>> spaced, older eyes and the ever-present klutz = factor - mutes falling into<BR>> inaccessible places in the action and = other mishaps  :-) ) A grand on the<BR>> other hand is easy for = even me to use a single mute throughout the scale.<BR>><BR>> Alan<BR>><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > = From: Bruce Genck [<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:brgenck@honeycomb.net</U></FONT> = <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:brgenck@honeycomb.net</U></FONT>> = ]<BR>> > Sent: July 25, 2001 6:24 PM<BR>> > To: <FONT color=#0000ff><U>ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT> <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:ctuner@reyburn.com</U></FONT>> = <BR>> > Subject: Temp. strips.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Carl = & Mitch,<BR>> ><BR>> > I talked with you both at the = convention about the use of temp. strips<BR>> > when tuning.  You = advised me to<BR>> > throw them away and tune with a mute doing = unisons as I go from the<BR>> > bottom all the way up.  Well, I've = tried it again and like it alot.  My<BR>> > tunings are more = stable, and it's taking me less time!<BR>> ><BR>> > I thought you = might like to know that someone does actually listen to<BR>> > you = :-)  I've now tried hundreds of pianos both ways and the difference<BR>> > is huge.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks = for giving me a push.<BR>> ><BR>> > Bruce Genck<BR>> ><BR>><BR>Mike McCoy RPT<BR>So Central Pa Chapter 170 & = SEPA 190 PTG<BR>Langhorne, Pa<BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U>Mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT> = <<FONT color=#0000ff><U>mailto:mjmccoyrpt@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2 Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>