<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C42905.C140A0F0"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> I was thinking one size larger. =  I wouldn’t bet that a pin = sitting in 100% epoxy, no wood, would last.  He used this primarily in Broadwoods = and Erards, 19th century, with original = pins and they were worthless since you could not replace the block. This was a = way to get the blocks back in one piece and be able to restring and tune, not = get original sizes back in.  The epoxy was to fill voids, get laminates or cracks filled, etc.  The pins were in mostly wood, = with the cracks and all voids filled, rock hard again.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE = PIANOS<o:p></o:p> New Orleans = Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p><= /o:p> <st1:PersonName>= llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of <st1:PersonName>Ed = Sutton</st1:PersonName> Sent: Thursday, April 22, = 2004 8:32 PM To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an = old steinway vertical <o:p> </o:p> <div> Lance-<o:p></o= :p> </div> <div> I found the instruction = sheet for this.  I'm surprised to see that Ken recommends using pins two = sizes larger than the original pins;<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I had thought one of the = reasons for the epoxy treatment was to allow re-use of original pins in historic instruments.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Ah, well....back to the = wood shop.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Ed<o:p></o:p><= /p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net" = title="llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" title="caut@ptg.org">'College and = University Technicians'</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:06 PM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: Value of an old steinway vertical<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Yes, Ken taught = me this and it’s been so long since I’ve done it I can’t = remember details on pin sizes, etc.  = I usually make notes, keep papers and file away for the next time I do the job.  I have been replacing = blocks of late.  The Epotek = handout gives pin/drill bit info (from Ken).  = The pins feel great with this method if drilled correctly.  I had a baby Chickering with a = double flange on the plate and an owner with little money.  That was a perfect scenario, = and uprights, too.  My guess is = you won’t go from #5’s to <o:p></o:p> # 1’s = though.    There are many = pianos out there with epoxy, including some in the Smithsonian Ken did and = I’m not sure how they are all doing, but I just tuned the Chickering about three = months ago and it was great.  The = ones I did that I still see are all fine.  I did have one old upright early on that had inconsistency in the = treble pins because as I drilled them out I was running into harder wood deep = in the holes and it caused some vibration in the bit/inconsistent hole = sizes.  I think it’s a great = technique to have when needed.   <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= <o:p> </o:p>= <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> New Orleans Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:Per= sonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p>= -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of <st1:PersonName>Ed = Sutton</st1:PersonName> Sent: Thursday, April 22, = 2004 11:06 AM To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an = old steinway vertical<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Hi, = Lance-<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I have a paper Ken Eschete = wrote on something like this.  Is that the method you = use?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> When you do this, do you = repin with the same size pins, or is it possible to go to a smaller = size?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> A friend of mine has an old Bechstein with open face pinblock which has been restrung with #5 = pins.  I would like to go back to #1 pins in this = piano.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Does this method give a = smooth tuning result...and how long do you suppose it = lasts?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> If I think of any more = questions, I'll let you know!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Thanks!<o:p></= o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Ed<o:p></o:p><= /p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From: <a href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net" title="llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org" title="caut@ptg.org">'College and = University Technicians'</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > <st1:date Year="2004" Day="21" Month="4">Wednesday, April 21, = 2004</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="4" Hour="9">9:04 AM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: Value of an old steinway vertical<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> I have 2 Steinway uprights (early 1900’s) and plan to = inject water thin optical epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring.  I have done this on several = uprights and grands where replacing was not an option.  Works great.  Nice = feel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>= <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New = Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, = PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <a = href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net">llafargue@charter.net</a></f= ont><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p>= </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>