<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1491" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C535D8.08C937E0" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <![if mso 9]> <style> p.MsoNormal {margin-left:3.0pt;} </style> <![endif]></HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="MARGIN: 3pt 3pt 0.75pt; tab-interval: .5in" = vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=solliday@ptd.net href="mailto:solliday@ptd.net">Chris = Solliday</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mark@nhpianos.com = href="mailto:mark@nhpianos.com">Mark Dierauf</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:09 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Re: Leads, Magnets, Springs, = etc.</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark, I don't know what vintage those = parts were, but the centers in Tokiwa parts were recently redesigned by someone from = Yamaha, and you'd have to ask Randy Morton or Bob Marinelli who, and exactly = when, but my own experience has been no problem since. Although I must say I never = had the degree of problems you are describing. Over the years I have had similar = problems with Tokiwa, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steinway factory, Abel, Renner, and = even on a rare occasion long ago Yamaha factory not to mention many minor name = manufacturers. The culprit almost always is a bad run of bushing cloth although it can = combine with improperly dried wood so that the hole itself is moving which I = have had with Abel on occasion. I use all these brands in order to = better meet the needs of a particular project and to not have my eggs all in one = basket should a "bad run" appear.  However, as of now current = production of all these manufacturers seems to be good. Does anyone have more = experiences with new parts to share? as if I had to ask. Chris = Solliday</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mark@nhpianos.com href="mailto:mark@nhpianos.com">Mark = Dierauf</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=solliday@ptd.net = href="mailto:solliday@ptd.net">'Chris Solliday'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 31, 2005 = 9:57 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CAUT] Re: Leads, = Magnets, Springs, etc.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I have installed two of = these sets of Miracle-<SPAN class=SpellE>Wips</SPAN>, one in my own piano and one = for a customer. On my own B, they provided a better touch-weight than the = Renner <SPAN class=SpellE>wips</SPAN> (even with the springs disengaged), = and I was able to remove some lead and easily regulate the springs to achieve an = extremely even touch. Now for the bad news – over time, many of the = centers have experienced a sudden increase in friction. This seems to be = particularly the case with the jack springs, where I measured the friction at = between 20 and 40 grams! Another <SPAN class=SpellE>rebuilder</SPAN> I know had = the same problem (and was sued over it). My shop partner has also had similar = problems with at least one set that he installed. <SPAN = class=SpellE>Repinning</SPAN> seems to be a permanent cure for this malady. The other set that I = installed has not had any pinning issues so far (about 18 months), but my piano = just had two more jacks seize in the last couple of days (the first in more = than a year). I would say that I’ve repined about 25% of them so far. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>The other problem is with = friction in the repetition spring slots. After a while, you’ll get a little = “tick, tick” sound as the spring slides in the slot. This seems to come with use, = and has been a problem on both of the sets that I installed. At Bob <SPAN class=SpellE>Maranelli’s</SPAN> suggestion, I applied <SPAN class=SpellE>McLube</SPAN> to the slots, but the problem returned in = both cases. I’ve since tied <SPAN class=SpellE>protek</SPAN>, but too = recently to predict the long term success.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I also just <SPAN class=GramE>repined</SPAN> a complete set of <SPAN = class=SpellE>Tokiwa</SPAN> shanks that had virtually seized. Touch-weight was well into the = 80’s! My advice is to stay away from these parts, unless they are going into a = piano that is serviced constantly so you can keep an eye on them. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">-<FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New = Roman'">        </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Mark Dierauf<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">-<FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New = Roman'">        </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">St </SPAN></FONT><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Pauls</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">School</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">-<FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New = Roman'">        </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Concord, NH<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> = Chris Solliday [mailto:solliday@ptd.net] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, March 30, 2005 = 4:53 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> College and = University Technicians<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CAUT] Re: Leads, Magnets, Springs, etc.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other cost = effective, and easier to install, and MUCH easier to regulate = option is the Miracle-Wip from Pianotek or Pacific. These are made by Tokiwa and = have excellent centers, adjustable heel positions forward aand back in = a slot, etiher angled or straight and once you have used an = adjustment screw for setting the weight you probably won't settle for = anything else. Chris Solliday  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt = 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: = 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <A title=RADKINS@coe.edu href="mailto:RADKINS@coe.edu">Richard = Adkins</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT = face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT = face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:24 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT = face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> [CAUT] Re: Leads, Magnets, Springs, etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I got this response = from the inventor of the magnetic system used by Fazioli and others. His new invention<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">or application of = magnets to piano action is called "Magnetic Friction Reduction". This is = viewable at<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">the inventor's = website as peviously posted. The new information is about retrofitting an action<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">to this system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">While the cost is = less than the previous system used in the Fazioli, it seems to me it would be less = costly if replacing whippens to go with the new Turbo-whippens w/assist = springs, rather than buy a set of new whippens, and this retrofit kit, and = have to retrofit each whippen AND hammer shank. I think as nice as it = sounds, I'll have to pass. Until someone manufactures replacement parts w/the = magnets already installed, at<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">a price comparable to = a set of turbo whippens, I don't think this is a cost effective way to = go. Maybe one<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">of you deep pockets = guys will give it a try and report back?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Anyhow, here's the = hot poop on this hot and magnetic topic:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&= gt;>>>>>>><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">The MFR system is = indeed available as retrofit kit. The retrofit kit contains magnets, = magnets already glued on the adjustment screws, two magnet positioning tools = and glue. An mounting instruction manual is also available and will be = send by e- mail. The price is Euro 600,00, exclusive transportation costs. = The estimated time needed to install the system is about 1 or 2 working = days. The kit can be ordered by the firm Evert Snel: e-mail: = info@evertsnel.nl I hope I have sufficiently informed you, if not let me know. Best = regards, Hans Velo <NOFILL>H.J. Velo Prins Bernhardlaan 68 3738 DR = Maartensdijk The Netherlands tel.: ++31 (0)346 211820 fax.: ++31 (0)346 211820 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">http:/home.hetnet.nl/~velo68 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">This transmission = contains information belonging to H.J. Velo and may be confidential and/or = legally privileged. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&= gt;><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">FYI,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Richard Adkins<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Coe College <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Cedar Rapids, = IA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BO= DY></HTML>