<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3F71B.3E35D980" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="time" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="date" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGT= YPE></HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>Lance-</DIV> <DIV>What are the bearing angles like in the = front duplex of the new BB?</DIV> <DIV>In the late Aeolian BB's the agraffe = section is very short and the capo sections have very steep bearing angles in the front.</DIV> <DIV>String travel problems - excess tension = in front duplex and sharp bend tending to injure the wire at the V-bar, plus hard = hammers hitting on the V-bar could cause string breakage.</DIV> <DIV>You may be able to rehang the hammers a = little further back on the original shanks...no need to trim hammer = shanks!  And voicing hammers may help.</DIV> <DIV>Ed Sutton</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=llafargue@charter.net href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, February 19, = 2004 8:04 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: hammer shank = length</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Thanks Mark,<o:p></o:p> I don’t = mean to alarm anyone, I’m hoping there is a simple = solution and not a major problem here, too.  = I know the players at this piano and I don’t believe there is heavy = playing.  Two broken strings in a month = and when I first saw the piano the hammers were hitting the V-bar at C8 = (dead).  I’m still waiting to hear = from tech support after talking to two other people who passed me around.  I’ll keep you posted.  = <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Mark = Cramer Sent: <st1:date = Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February 19, 2004</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="38" Hour="18">6:38 PM</st1:time> To: College and University Technicians Subject: RE: hammer shank length <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Lance,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> I'm wondering about plate/bridge location (hence speaking = length) when you mention string breakage? <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> I just can't believe this (the problem you describe) would happen in a new Mason...say it ain't so!<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> For Pete's sake, they're only producing two models of grands (currently), = you'd think they'd have the jigs right, especially when you see the size of plate-location pins they use! <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> In any case, the factory should be able to provide you with speaking length = at #88 for a quick reference. <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> I don't want to send you on a goose-chase Lance, but often find it useful to = look at a problem from more than one angle.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Best of luck!<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Mark Cramer,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Brandon</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName>University</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></P= ></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of = llafargue Sent: <st1:date = Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February = 19, 2004</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="50" Hour="11">11:50 AM</st1:time> To: 'College and University Technicians' Subject: RE: hammer shank length<o:p></o:p> I agree, it’s just hard to see what’s going on back there and I = think ideally the hammers would be rehung, especially if it’s also contributing = to string breakage.  I’ll = study it closer to see if I can tell exactly what’s hitting back there.  <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> <DIV> <st1:PersonName><O:P></O:P>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p><O:P></O:P> <st1:City><st1:place>New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, PTG<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p><= /DIV><O:P></O:P> <O:P></O:P>-----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Erwinspiano@aol.com Sent: <st1:date = Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">Thursday, February = 19, 2004</st1:date> = <st1:time Minute="8" Hour="9">9:08 AM</st1:time> To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: hammer shank length<o:p></o:p> <DIV> <DIV> <O:P></O:P>In a = message dated <st1:date Year="2004" Day="19" Month="2">2/19/2004</st1:date> <st1:time Minute="26" Hour="6">6:26:20 AM</st1:time> Pacific Standard = Time, llafargue@charter.net = writes:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; = PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; = PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> 5” to = 5 1/8”  <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> If the = hammer is mounted much longer than 5 1/8”, touch gets heavy, if shorter = than 4 7/8”, you get regulation problems and reduces leverage.  Also, tails may hit = whippen flanges when hammer comes to rest.  <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> <O:P></O:P>I just worked on a 2001 M&H BB and the hammer line was so off, if you = pushed the action in for proper strike @ C8 the back checks interfere = with sostenuto and under levers, no matter what.  The piano is also = breaking strings at the V bar and I suspect the hammer line has something to do = with it.  Regards,<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> <DIV> <st1:PersonName><O:P></O:P>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE = PIANOS<o:p></o:p><O:P></O:P> <st1:City><st1:place>New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, PTG<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p><= /DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><O:P></O:P> <DIV>            Lance<o:p></o:p></DIV><O:P></O:P> <DIV>    In that case I see nothing wrong with using a motortool drum sander to = hollow out the back of the backcheck. Some new backcheck replacement I've = used for stwy's have this featire which is helpful when installing modern = type back action In an old stwy with minimal clearances. This might give you = enough room to move the action to its proper location. What do you think?<o:p></o:p></DIV><O:P></O:P> <DIV>    Dale<o:p></o:p></DIV><O:P></O:P> <DIV> <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. Modesto, Ca 95357 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin = Sales www.Erwinspiano.com<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></DIV= ></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>