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<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Thanks
Ed,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Did
you use Renner leather, kanguroo (who sell it =
)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I
believe the wear is not really an option, do you follow that instrument, =
is new
Ballistol application necessary sometime ? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Friction certainly appears more on short keyboards, I wonder =
also about
using leather on brass key pins, may be with time the key pin is wearing =
more
than usual.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I seem
to recall that the German pianos with leather bushings have iron pins =
(and not
bras plated ones) , but I am unsure of that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Any
idea welcome.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Nowadays I'll do that as an experiment, and we have the =
opportunity to
look at the wear and compare between similar =
instruments.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>It is
unrealistic to expect the schools to pay 300$ and more every 3 or 4 =
years for
new key bushings at this moment, but for sure I will include that in the =
maintenance course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Best
Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=938035522-17042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Isaac OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur
SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 =
90<BR>cell:
06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> Ed Sutton
[mailto:ed440@mindspring.com]<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 18 =
avril 2003
00:34<BR><B>À :</B> oleg-i@wanadoo.fr; College and University
Technicians<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Questions about key bushings. - =
bushing
material -tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isaac-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've used leather keybushings, and =
have found
that 2 or 3 applications of ballistol are needed for free movement of =
the
front keybushing. This was not for noise, but due to =
performer's
complaint of too much friction. Balistol is promoted as a =
leather
preservative. I've found leather front keybushings in German =
pianos of
the late 19th century in remarkably good condition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The keypins, of course, were =
beautifully smooth
and polished.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed S.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac =
OLEG</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=mrykalve@potsdam.edu
href="mailto:mrykalve@potsdam.edu">Vincent E. Mrykalo</A> ; <A
title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and =
University
Technicians</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 17, =
2003 4:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Questions about =
key
bushings. - bushing material -tools</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=330094520-17042003>Hello Vincent,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=330094520-17042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>I
asked around me, nobody tells me that he uses oil (Ballistol or =
such) on
leather bushings, neither in Bechstein factory or
elsewhere.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>I
was told on the contrary that the leather needs less side play than =
the
cloth, but that when it takes a slight amount of play it will be =
more noisy
soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>My
main concern is using it on the front key bushings, I don't recall =
having
seen that done on any instrument, I guess the friction may be
high.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>I
also have been highly praised the good quality clothes with nylon =
(or ?)
inside that comes from Japan, as to be a material of choice for =
bushing work
(info from a friend, tech for the Paris school of music, he =
does 40
key bushings set/year approximatively)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>By
the way he tells me to use some acid oxalic if precedent bushings =
have been
glued with a hard white glue, a pass with a damp rag and an iron =
using this
acid (don't smell the fumes) soften the glue fast he tells
me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Another useful information is that cork grease is =
not acid so
it eventually is better than mutton tallow for leather/metal =
lubrication. I
don't use it on key pins nowadays, only Teflon spray, and a very =
good
quality I have from Sweden (McLube 125).</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>He also tells me he made 3 complete keyboard sets =
with the
OLIAG/JAHN's key restoration tool (same kind than the Onesti tool =
but guided
by the cylindrical hole in the key) and he have a perfect font to =
back
placement and centering. But he made himself the wood washers, the =
ones sold
originally with the tool are totally useless (too soft
wood).</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Greetings</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=330094520-17042003><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de =
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue
de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 =
06
98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 90<BR>cell: 06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> Vincent =
E. Mrykalo
[mailto:mrykalve@potsdam.edu]<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> jeudi 17 =
avril 2003
15:43<BR><B>À :</B> oleg-i@wanadoo.fr; College and =
University
Technicians<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Questions about key
bushings.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Isaac,</DIV>
<DIV>Do you use Balastol on the renner leather? They do =
recommend
that, as that may help the noise problem. The one thing =
about
leather is that they need to be eased a little more drastically =
than felt,
so you can't get as snug a fit.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>Dear colleagues,</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=-1>I
have just seen the 20 instruments that are in a little school I =
will
work for next year.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>These instruments are 30 to10 years old. Since 3 =
years, a lot of
work have been done on almost all instruments, so many have been =
repined, new strings on some, actions refurbishing, new key
bushings.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>The problem lies on these last, all the key bushing =
jobs are
showing a lot of side play, and even front to back play in some =
case. I
was wandering how an other while relatively decent (but not too
expensive !) repair job could turn in a so inefficient result. =
May be
the bushing cloth used was very poor, but, as even the one which =
are
less worn are noisy, I suspect that white glue or Titebond have =
been
used for the gluing, causing the hardness of the felts and the =
fast worn
out.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=-1>I
consider using leather, for the schools now, I made a few sets =
on the
balance mortise, and find the job to be not very different. =
Indeed the
leather (Renner) is a bit more noisy, but I prefer that to have =
to sell
bushing work every 4 years.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>My question was about using leather in the front =
mortise, and if
every kind of key pin will accept the leather bushing. For =
instance
brass key pins may be will be worn out by the leather more than =
by the
felt, so the play will be there , finally.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>Is not leather in the front bushing really to hard and =
noisy
under the fingers ?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>I've heard that some of you use kangaroo leather , =
where is it
sold ? any feedback ?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=-1>I
was pleased with the 2 sizes of the Renner bushing, on the =
Bechstein and
the Bšsendorfer I made I did not thin the leather it was very =
accurate
ti begin with (and I did not use any oil on it, as someone wrote =
once,
too afraid to have dirt and may be squeaks with this
method).</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>Thanks in advance</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>Good Easter day to all, Pessah for some =
!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=-1>Isaac OLEG</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT size=-1>Isaac
OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et rŽparation de =
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17
rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 =
47 18
06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 90<BR>cell: 06 60 42 58 =
77</FONT><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Tahoma size=-1>-----Message
d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Wolfley, =
Eric
(WOLFLEEL)<BR><B>EnvoyŽ :</B> mercredi 16 avril 2003
18:01<BR><B>Ë :</B> 'College and University
Technicians'<BR><B>Objet :</B> RE: Bass string
fest</FONT><BR><FONT face=Tahoma =
size=-1></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=-1>I just
checked·weâve replaced 16 bass strings since school =
started at the end
of Sept· not too bad, considering. Most of this breakage is =
in the
piano major rooms where the pianos do get pounded on. =
Obviously I
donât place an order with Mapes every week, though I
check.</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000
size=-1>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 =
size=-1>Eric
Wolfley</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 =
size=-1>Head
Piano Technician</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000
size=-1>Cincinnati College-Conservatory of =
Music</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000
size=-1>University of Cincinnati</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000
size=-1>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=-1></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000 =
size=-1>-----Original
Message-----</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000 =
size=-1><B>From:</B>
Wimblees@aol.com [mailto:Wimblees@aol.com]</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000 =
size=-1><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Bass string
fest</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Times New =
Roman"></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=-1>In a =
message dated
4/16/03 10:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, =
WOLFLEEL@UCMAIL.UC.EDU
writes:<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=-1>I do a =
pass through
the practice rooms approx.<BR>once a week and place an order =
with
Mapes.</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 =
size=-1><BR><BR>This is
interesting. I've been here at UA for almost 2 years, and I =
have had
two bass strings break. Either you guys have harder players, =
or I'm
extremely lucky. How many bass strings to some of you replace =
per
week/year?<BR><BR>Wim</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><X-SIGSEP><PRE>--
</PRE></X-SIGSEP>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="New York" color=#0000ff>Vince =
Mrykalo<I> RPT
MPT</I></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Arial Black" color=#0000ff>Senior =
Piano
Technician</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="New York" color=#0000ff =
size=+1><B>Crane School
of
Music</B></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD=
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