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<DIV>Thanks, Mark. If the proposal gets approved, I'll be in =
touch.</DIV>
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<DIV>Barbara Richmond</DIV>
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<DIV>PS Any pictures?</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Cramer@BrandonU.ca href="mailto:Cramer@BrandonU.ca">Mark =
Cramer</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 13, =
2005 5:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CAUT] DC system =
on
stage</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Barbara, Bill,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Sorry Bill, I'm not a big =
fan of
the carts either. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>They are removed from the piano =
at
precisely the time I don't want "anything" changing around the piano.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>We do use them in =
Banff, but
only in the Rolston Recital Hall, and only (I believe) because this is =
one
hall where ambient conditions are indeed monitored and
controlled. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I've encountered mold in =
only one
instance Bill (sorry to hear of your experiences); a new-to-me client =
with an
1970's L: the tank was plugged directly into the wall... as in =
bypass the
humidistat! (need I say more?) </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I'm not sure of the material =
Bill refers
to Barbara, but the cloth Dampp-Chaser's under-covers are made =
from will
not absorb sound, they're acoustic grille cloth. For all =
practical
purposes: acoustic impact = zero.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>So I will vote for an installed =
system
with undercover. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>The first benefit being to =
buffer the
piano's climate from changes and high air-movement within the
hall. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>The second really, is to nicely =
hide the
installation. Even if there is the odd wrinkle or bulge in the =
cloth,
from the front row the underside of the piano looks like a "sea =
of
black."</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>We've installed a few Barbara, =
so if I can
provide any install tips; <A
href="mailto:cramer@brandonu.ca">cramer@brandonu.ca</A></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Meanwhile, something the two of =
you (and
others?) may be interested in as well:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>I've just installed an "un-plug" =
alarm in
one of our ensemble rooms.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Un-plug the piano, and a =
concealed beeper
sounds until the piano is plugged back in. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>So far so good. I've posted =
instructions
(that even music students can read), the piano has been moved, and the =
"movee"
figured out the "prompt" immediately.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Sorry I cannot provide =
mechanical details,
as one of our engineers devised it. Basically it's a relay =
with a 9v
batter and a pulse beeper. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>best regards to you =
both,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Mark Cramer,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005>Brandon University</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=040220022-13092005></SPAN> </DIV>
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class=040220022-13092005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Bdshull@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:03 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] DC =
system on
stage<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>Hi, Barbara, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My experience with buckets tight up to the soundboard is that =
the
board discolors, mold develops, and condensation causes =
hardwood floors
to betray water overhead.....Don't ask me how I know...but shortly =
after
that nasty experience several years ago Damppchaser extended the =
hanger
length considerably. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A cover under the piano will certainly affect the reflection of =
sound...but there are probably folks on the list who could tell you =
how
much, in their own experience....I'm interested too! =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just to go with my "cart" idea again....the cart can =
be kept under
the piano on stage, and removed just for performances, of =
course....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>OR....the piano can be equipped with heater bars and =
humidistat, and
the cart only with humidifiers, and used as much as =
possible.
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<DIV>Bill Shull</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/13/2005 1:20:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
piano57@insightbb.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks, Bill.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hmm....my goal was a system that could =
always be
plugged in (there are a lot of outlets on that black stage floor), =
to
avoid the syndrome of nice-atmosphere-while-in-storage and =
then all
heck breaks out when it's moved on stage. You know =
what I
mean?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:Bdshull@aol.com
href="mailto:Bdshull@aol.com">Bdshull@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=mailto:caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September =
13, 2005
3:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] DC =
system on
stage</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In a message dated 9/13/2005 12:59:21 PM =
Pacific
Daylight Time, </FONT><A title=mailto:piano57@insightbb.com
href="mailto:piano57@insightbb.com"><FONT
face=Arial>piano57@insightbb.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial> =
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Does anyone have a picture of, or =
could direct
me to a picture of a Steinway D with a full DC system with
undercover--preferably on a stage? I have =
submitted a
proposal for the DC system, but a friend pointed out to me, =
that
sometimes, because the humidifier buckets hang down a bit, the =
piano
looks.........pregnant. I doubt my technical =
director
would be happy with such a look and would like him to see it =
before
hand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks much.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara Richmond,
RPT</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Barbara, If you could forego the =
undercover, you
could modify the Jahn stands which Dampp-chaser is experimenting =
with. They are single system carts with a leg on each =
corner, and
need to be combined into a dual system stand which straddles the =
truck; I did this during the summer, and will be =
sending
Roger Wheelock the modification drawings when I "get it
together." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill
Shull</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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