<html> <body> Hi, Ed, At 02:54 PM 12/4/2004, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Horace-   Wasn't it Arnold Schoenberg who said that an ideal musical instrument should be "something like a typewriter  that plays pitches?"</blockquote> Yup....too bad he died before his dream could be fully realized... Best. Horace <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">  Ed Sutton  ;-(     <dl> <dd>----- Original Message ----- <dd>From: <a href="mailto:hgreeley@stanford.edu">Horace Greeley</a> <dd>To: <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</a> <dd>Sent: 12/4/2004 4:34:45 PM <dd>Subject: RE: [CAUT] Fw: mystery center pinning <dd>Vince, <dd>At 11:08 AM 12/4/2004, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>How are you supposed to regulate the action with next to zero friction in those shanks and flanges?</blockquote> <dd>Putting on my flame suit... <dd>The same way you have had to regulate them since they screwed around with the backchecks in the mid - late 80's, and the voicing since not long after that...that is, with a smaller and smaller range and domain of control and usability...which is, of course, just fine, so long as everyone who plays the instrument is largely interested in the keys as on/off switches, with smaller usable dynamic range and decreased tonal pallette... <dd>not, of course, that I have any opinions on the subject... <dd>Best. <dd>Horace <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <dd>Kent Webb <kw88keys@yahoo.com> wrote: <dl> <dd>Hello All, <dd>It's not often I get a chance to view the list but I <dd>did see this post and can confirm what Ed wrote. The <dd>S&S spec for center pins torque is 1-4 grams but I <dd>have seen many sets work fine at less than one gram. <dd>Like many of you, I was accustomed to a higher torque <dd>(more like 4-6 grams) but S&S uses a dense felt with a <dd>teflon extender that enables very low friction while <dd>maintaining a firm control. A great advantage of this <dd>is accelerated up-weight and, from my expereince, when <dd>many pianists say they want a lighter touch they are <dd>really trying to tell us they want the keys to stay <dd>with their fingers as they lift from the keys. The <dd>higher the upweight, the faster the key will stay with <dd>thier fingers on the return to full at-rest position. <dd>Hope this helps. <dd>Kent Webb <dd>--- Ed Sutton wrote: <dd>> I believe what you have are parts behaving according <dd>> to current genuine Steinway factory standards, i.e. <dd>> "swing as many times as possible as long as there is <dd>> no wobble side to side." <dd>> Others of greater authority than I will either <dd>> confirm or demolish this statement. <dd>> <dd>> Ed S. <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> ----- Original Message ----- <dd>> From: Barbara Richmond <dd>> To: College and University Technicians <dd>> Sent: 12/3/2004 11:17:25 PM <dd>> Subject: [CAUT] Fw: mystery center pinning <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Yet another question, folks, <dd>> <dd>> I had to repin all the Steinway shanks I recently <dd>> installed. When they came, they were the best <dd>> examples of perpetual motion machines I had ever <dd>> seen. Well, golly, almost all of them have loosened <dd>> up again!--not to their original state, but much <dd>> looser than I find acceptable. (The p! iano got used a <dd>> couple of times while work was in progress.) Dang, <dd>> I've never had this happen before---am I in the <dd>> twilight zone? I couldn't believe my eyes. Would <dd>> shrinking the cloth help before I pin....again? I <dd>> do have plenty of high quality bushing cloth on <dd>> hand.......groan. <dd>> <dd>> Also, I was surprised the first time I repinned to <dd>> find that the center pins were all .052. That <dd>> seemed sort of big for original pinning. I replaced <dd>> them with .053. Now I feel like I'm going to end up <dd>> using telephone poles to get them right. Here I <dd>> thought I was almost done with this job and now <dd>> this...... :-( <dd>> <dd>> Help! <dd>> <dd>> Barbara Richmond, RPT <dd>_______________________________________________ <dd>caut list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </dl> <dd>Vince Mrykalo <dd>University of Utah <dd>Do you Yahoo!? <dd>Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29917/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250">Learn more.</a> </blockquote> </dl></blockquote></body> </html>