<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2712.300" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C42777.44441300" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Lance,</DIV> <DIV>Some inquiring minds want to know just = what IS optical epoxy, where you can get it, and what is your procedure?  = Mind filling us in?</DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Greg Granoff   RPT Humboldt State University</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=llafargue@charter.net href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 = 6:04 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Value of an old = steinway vertical</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> I have 2 = Steinway uprights (early 1900’s) and plan to inject water thin optical epoxy = (EPOTEK), redrill and restring.  I have done this on several = uprights and grands where replacing was not an option.  Works great.  Nice feel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, = RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> New Orleans = Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName><A = href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net">llafargue@charter.net</A></F= ONT></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Bdshull@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 = 12:31 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical <o:p> </o:p> Hi Ed, I agree = with Dale about this.  Here in Southern California an 1890's Steinway = upright might still have a decent pinblock if the piano lived in this climate most = of its life, similar to the piano Dale restored.  A few real clean = examples exist, valuing those is tough since they are so nice, and should fetch = more, perhaps quite a bit more.... Original bass strings can be = incredible on a Steinway, with even the steel-wound strings coming out great = after turning, a rare event for that type of winding.   Yes, = "ebonized" was common in 19th century pianos, if the plate is clean and undamaged = the word will be stamped.  Also the Steinway log will say (sadly, one = volume was stolen from Steinway recently, and wasn't photocopied, a terrible = loss).   Bill Shull Shull Piano Inc. 590 E = Industrial Rd 2 San Bernardino, CA  92408 (909) 796-4226 In a = message dated 4/19/04 6:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Erwinspiano@aol.com = writes: <![if = !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> hi Ed  Don't = panic yet.  I paid $250.00 for an 1891 from the Manteca unified school = district about 8 years ago. It was Bahama yellow with pretty flowers & = about to fall over. Its is the one with a myriad of ogees elegant three piece = front & the round fluted legs. The block, board & many things were = quite good. The board has a lot of crown still. Amazing.Restrung with 3s or 4s,refinish,yes in original ebony, replace the missing three piece cut = outs new keytops. Very beautiful looking& sounding. If I did this today = I'd ask 15 k.   My opinion is that stwy uprights like this are = worth anywhere between $500.000 to $1500.00 in original & unbutchered = condition. Hey do the math on the items needed then speculate on the Market value = in your area.hmmm.  Dale Erwin <![if = !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Dear = List- I'm dealing with a difficult situation with a customer who has purchased = an 1892 Steinway vertical on Ebay. The piano has been restrung in the plain wire and repinned in the bass, = "turning the bass strings."  The repinning was done with 4/0 pins with = apparently no preparation of the holes in the pinblock.  Pin torque varies = wildly, with many high treble pins over 225 inch pounds.  I cannot = imagine now how to restring properly without replacing the pinblock.   Raising pitch 80 cents and tuning was miserably difficult, perhaps tuning will = be manageable when the strings have stabilized....? Refinishing is a thin black lacquer (were 1890's verticals done in ebony?), and = the brass lock plate and pedals have been carefully polished. Hammers have been re-shaped past regulation, key pins turned in the front = bushings, and key covers glued to fit the notch, with the tips overhanging, and = no shaping. The customer had hopes of buying a piano that would become a family = heirloom.  The seller told her the old bass strings were so good that they = didn't need replacement, and that she could eventually complete the = restoration with new hammers and dampers. I would be interested in your opinions of what is the going value of an = 1892 Steinway vertical, rebuilt to very good playing and tuning condition, = and what the purchase price of the instrument as it is should = be. Also I would appreciate your comments on the pinblock. Thank you very much. Ed Sutton <o:p></o:p> Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. Modesto, Ca 95357 = 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin Sales www.Erwinspiano.com = <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML= >