<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; =
charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=121253910-22032003>I
pretend too that incorrect regulation, that rob control to the pianist, =
is
turning the hammers hard too fast, as it is often that piano stop to =
break
strings after regulation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=121253910-22032003>Lack
of power and control due to the regulation will make the pianist play =
more
aggressively on the instrument, may be because they are frustrated, may =
be
because they try to obtain more tone , but for sure even a worn =
piano/worn
hammers, if perfectly regulated what is not so evident) , particularly =
with the
good aftertouch and the most controllable sequence between letoff/drop =
catch,
will keep some musical pretension and be useable way more than, the same =
with
good hammers and not so good regulation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><FONT><SPAN =
class=121253910-22032003>Voicing is also</SPAN></FONT> <SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>a much more self evident task when regulation =
gives the
most efficient energy transfer.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>When beginning to understand voicing methods, =
we tend
to focus on the hammer , when it is often necessary to touch up the =
regulation
to have a correct picture.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>I noticed a tenancy to provide a touch with a =
very
strong aftertouch sensation, and a lot of stroke. While this percussive
regulation is pleasing much the jazz players, it oblige to needle more =
the
hammers than necessary if we want to have a mellow tone. The same result =
is
obtained and last longer with a keen and minimal aftertouch, and more =
roundness
in the touch of the keys.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>Checking keys height and dip will help to =
ascertain
what have been done, or the state of compression of the
action.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>Adding a few mm on key height as too often =
done, will
lighten the beginning of the stroke, but then the hammer is not =
accelerated
progressively, and less control in tone is
available.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003>Best =
Regards</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face="Times New =
Roman"
color=#000000 size=2><SPAN
class=121253910-22032003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=2><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT><BR>Entretien et =
réparation de
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur
SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 =
90<BR>cell:
06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> =
caut-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Isaac
OLEG<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> samedi 22 mars 2003 =
09:43<BR><B>À :</B>
David Ilvedson; Caut<BR><B>Objet :</B> RE: Yamaha CFIII
Voicing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes
, but where lies the difficulty is to ascertain the state of the =
internal of
the hammer before needling. One more strong jab in the heart of the =
hammer
(the original spring created while the first needling was done ) will =
unleash
the other parts too much and compromise the correct transmission of =
the
resiliency.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003></SPAN><SPAN
class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I noticed that
is a matter of imagination, and recognize the absence of =
tone
power, while the brightness of the attack is often taken for =
power
that is too a matter of pinching the hammer to recognize where =
hardness
lies .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>When
string mating problems begin to be noticed more and more that is often =
the
sign of lack of basic power in the hammer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>That
is why it is convenient to have some reserve, and try to work always =
on a
tensioned material.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Happily , if the tone is bad, most often we can find spots of =
hard
felt, responsive for that, and when untie the knots, their hardness =
goes
around (above reverently) , bringing back some =
energy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>Best
Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Isaac OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur
SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06
90<BR>cell: 06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> David =
Ilvedson
[mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> samedi 22 =
mars 2003
00:14<BR><B>À :</B> oleg-i@wanadoo.fr; College and University =
Technicians<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Yamaha CFIII
Voicing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another words deep needling in the =
low
shoulders...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David I.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr =
href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac OLEG</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org =
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University =
Technicians</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, =
2003 3:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Yamaha CFIII
Voicing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>In too brilliant rooms it is not easy to voice down, =
probably
impossible in fact.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>If the lower part of the hammer is packed down ad rigid =
because of
the use and the dryness of the air you should eventually =
treat them
back to life as if they were new.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>in 1987 I am not sure that CFIII hammers where as good as =
the
actual ones, that are clearly on the mellow side by my standards, =
but at
this stage , the C7 is probably mellower.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Nowadays high shoulder needling , if the top of the =
hammer is not
lively, product not really long lasting results (if needled too =
softly
too) . On the other hand, even if you bring back some energy =
there, on old
hammers, your job will not hold as much as on recent
ones.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>It is usual to bring back some tension from below before =
treating
the high zones, sometime, you eventually realize that the top have =
been
too much needled, and that you may shave a bit to keep some energy =
active
there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>If the voicing don't last it is because only the higher =
regions of
the hammer are involved in the tone making, allowing the hammer to =
move
more deep help to keep the top active longer, because it does not =
compress
on the low shoulders as much as it is more =
suspended.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Clear as ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Sorry its late.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Best regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=538444522-21032003>I</SPAN>saac
OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de =
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue
de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 =
06
98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 90<BR>cell: 06 60 42 58 77 =
</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B>
caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part =
de</B>
Tom Merrill<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 21 mars 2003
17:32<BR><B>À :</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> =
Yamaha
CFIII Voicing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am the contract tech at Mesa =
State
College in Grand Junction, CO. We have a new 280 seat recital =
hall that
has a very bright lively acoustic and is easily overdriven by =
vocals and
instrumentals. I'm having a "dickens" of a time keeping =
the Yamaha
CFIII (circa 1987) with Yamaha hammers voiced down fairly mellow =
yet
articulate to please the pianists. They want lots of color =
with
projection, but not too loud. The piano gets used for =
solos and
accompanying small ensembles and vocals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I took every voicing class and =
voicing
tutoring in Chicago last summer and the Little Red School House =
last
fall, but lack the 30 years experience demanded by the
situation!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can get the level of =
brightness where we
like it for a short period of time by </FONT><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2>high shoulder needling and a little =
sugarcoating on the
crown. But a week or two later, the felt packs down and it =
gets
too bright again. I've read in the archives that this =
piano has a
fairly heavy SB structure to compensate for the softer woods in =
the rim
and needs a fairly robust (w)hammer to get things moving. =
It seems
to me that we may have the wrong instrument and/or hammers for =
the
application and <FONT face=Arial size=2>that if we want a =
delicate,
articulate colorful piano, we oughta buy a Steinway that sounds =
that way
to begin with. Too bad the State of Colorado doesn't win =
its own
lottery....</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is anyone else successful in =
what I am
trying to do and could share some tips? I've thought about =
putting
on a set of Isaac Cadenzas. Is this a good idea? The =
other
piano in the room for duets is a Yamaha C7 (circa 2000).
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your =
ideas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom Merrill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Grand Junction, CO (where =
minimum wage is a
high paying
job)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BO=
DY></HTML>