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Indeed I' have been a tad annoyed to = discover an anti friction product designed for pinning that was aggravating the = symptoms on some occasion. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Then I am expecting to find some correlation, with oxide pins that is fairly understandable, with graphite bushings may be too, but I've seen = problems on Yamahas too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Then of course the final answer is to keep that product for less sensible = parts (damper wire) or not expect more than it gives.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>My solution was to develop speed and efficiency for pinning. I concur with = Roger and all old school boys (sorry Roger !) . </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>When often notice with time that what have been told us from the start was = not without reasons !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>BTW, I have a recently rebushed keyboard that have lost a lot of side play = under very dry conditions (and tighter balance hole also). I guess that during = winter one should not ease the keys too much, the hole will be larger in humid season.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Best of Christmas.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Isaac</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=103371716-24122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <TABLE height=80 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 = align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=tiny> <TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; 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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> David = Ilvedson [mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Envoy� :</B> dimanche 21 = d�cembre 2003 22:27<BR><B>� :</B> oleg-i@noos.fr; = caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> RE: Touch weight<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal align=left><SPAN = class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>Isaac,</P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left> </P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left>I use Protek and find it often does = the job but occasionally it will do nothing.  I can't say as I've = found it to seize up centers.  I'm using Joe Goss' Goose Juice also these = days and it seems to work well.  What the difference between it and Protek = is, I don't know. </P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left> </P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left>David I.</P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left><SPAN = class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left><SPAN = class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">----- Original message ----------------------------------------><BR>From: = Isaac sur Noos <<A = href="mailto:oleg-i@noos.fr">oleg-i@noos.fr</A>><BR>To: College and University Technicians <<A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>><BR>Received: Sat, 20 = Dec 2003 11:59:15 +0100<BR>Subject: RE: Touch weight</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal align=left><SPAN = class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><BR>In my experience Protek CLP make some bushings very sluggish or even = blocking after some time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Have no correlation between the kind of bushings (Renner most probably ) = that produce these results on a regular = basis.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The lists being mostly driven by US techs and Protek being an Us product = widely used, nobody seem to answer to these questions most probably because = of the political correct attitude on the lists (is not it guys ?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">So let me say that is how I understand your silence on that matter = (strange as you�re generally willing to talk on any product/process used)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Happy Christmas to all.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Isaac OLEG<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=StyleCourrierlectronique20><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: = 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: = EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">De :</SPAN></B> caut-bounces@pt</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">g.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">De = la part de</SPAN></B> Wimblees@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoy� :</SPAN></B> vendredi 19 = d�cembre 2003 16:11<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">� :</SPAN></B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">Objet :</SPAN></B> Re: Touch weight</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">In a message dated 12/19/03 9:04:06 AM Central Standard Time, = fssturm@unm.edu writes:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-color-alt: = windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: blue = 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN-LEFT: = 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 36pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt; = mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The Steinway "Permafree II" action centers are impregnated with a teflon <BR>solution, which lubricates and provides additional firmness. We = had quite a <BR>bit of discussion of this over the past couple months, with = respect to <BR>firmness versus friction.<BR>    No other manufacturer = uses this method. Most others are pure, <BR>"unadulterated" felt, some have = graphite applied to one surface. All others <BR>will respond to lubrication = with Protek, and/or to shrinking/sizing with <BR>alcohol/water. Steinway = will not respond to either, due to that <BR>impregnation with teflon. Pure = methanol, a controlled substance, is <BR>available (at least in colder climes) as = gas line "de-freezer." Eric <BR>Schandall says he thinks ethanol will work as well.<BR>Regards,<BR>Fred Sturm</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial = color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-color-alt: = windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">When I was at Steinway last summer, I could have sworn Eric told us to use = Protek on the bushings. I will see if I can find methanol here in "warm and = sunny" Alabama. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-color-alt: = windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-color-alt: = windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wim </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-color-alt: = windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML= >