<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-mi= crosoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"= > <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:fil= elist.xml@01C42841.A23D2D00" rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceT= ype" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartT= agType><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-micro= soft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="time" = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagTyp= e><o:SmartTagType name="date" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:o= ffice:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceur= i="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartT= agType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smar= ttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri== "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="MARGIN: 4px 4px 1px; FONT: 10pt Tahoma; = tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>I use the same for split or cracked bridge pin holes and to fill = capstan screw holes in keys. Mix 2 parts EPO-TEK 301-2 (Filler) w= ith 1 part EPO-TEK 301-2 (Hardener) and if you want, mix in their (I = don't remember the name) light brown fiber cellulose for wooden color. = This Epoxy doesn't come cheap and there will be an added charge for = shipping hazardous materials. The shelf life is only 6 months.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hans Sander, RPT  >>> llafargue@charter.net = 4/22/2004 9:13:03 AM >>> </DIV> <DIV style="COLOR: #000000"> <DIV class=Section1> I’m pressed = for time this morning, but…Epoxy Technology 1-800-227-2201.  <st1:City><st1:plac= e>Boston</st1:place></st1:City= >.  = It is a water thin (really water thin) epoxy you mix by weight. =  Put piano on it’s back = (upright) and using a hair squeeze bottle, inject/pour the epoxy into the = open tuning pin holes.  As = it fills the holes it also fills laminate separations and any cracks. =  Unless you have some huge = void, it fills them pretty quickly and you fill each hole to the top. =  After drying you drill the = holes out using a hand drill set at proper angle using a bubble level = attached to the top of drill.  = You will find the drill follows the hole pretty well.  EPOTEK may still have a handout = for this procedure and specifics.  <= /SPAN>I have a copy somewhere in my shop.  I have used this on old pianos where the block could = not be removed or it was not practical financially or otherwise.  The pins feel nice and snug and = very smooth and consistent.  = Let me know if you can’t get the info needed.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p= > <DIV> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<o:p></o:p= > LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <st1:City><st1:place>New Orleans</st1:place></st1:City> Chapter, = PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <st1:PersonName>llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><FON= T color=navy><o:p></o:p></= SPAN></DIV> <o:p> </o:p= > -----Original= Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Granoff Sent: <st1:date Year="2004" = Day="21" Month="4">Wednesday, April 21, 2004</st1:= date> <st1:time Minute="30" Hour="13"><FO= NT face=Tahoma size=2>1:30 PM</st1:time> To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an old = steinway vertical <o:p> </o:p></F= ONT> <DIV> Lance,<= /FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Some = inquiring minds want to know just what IS optical epoxy, where you can get = it, and what is your procedure?  Mind filling us in?<o:p= ></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Thanks!= <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></F= ONT></DIV> <DIV> Greg Granoff   = RPT <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Humboldt</st1:PlaceName> = <st1:PlaceType>State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType>University</st1:PlaceTy= pe></st1:place><o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; = BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: = 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> ----- = Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <= FONT face=Arial size=2>From: <A title=ll= afargue@charter.net href="mailto:llafargue@charter.net">llafargue</A> = <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:ca= ut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> <o:p></o:p></FO= NT></DIV> <DIV> Sent: <st1:date Year="2004" = Day="21" Month="4">Wednesday, April 21, 2004</st1:da= te> <st1:time Minute="4" Hour="6">6:04 = AM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Subject: RE: Value of an old = steinway vertical<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></F= ONT></DIV> I have 2 Steinway uprights (early 1900’s) and = plan to inject water thin optical epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring.<SPA= N style="mso-spacerun: yes">  I have done this on several = uprights and grands where replacing was not an option.  Works great.  Nice feel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Lance Lafargue, RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE PIANOS<o:p></o:p> <st1:City><st1:place><FO= NT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3>New Orleans</st1:place= ></st1:City> Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p></o:p> <A href="mailto:llafargue@charter.= net">llafargue@charter.net</A><o:p></o:p></DIV= > <o:p> </o:p> -----Original= Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Bdshull@aol.com Sent: <st1:date Year="2004" = Day="20" Month="4">Tuesday, April 20, 2004</st1:da= te> <st1:time Minute="31" Hour="12">12:31 PM</st1:time><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical</FO= NT><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></F= ONT> Hi Ed, = I agree with Dale about this.  Here in <st1:plac= e>Southern California</st1:place> an 1890's = Steinway upright might still have a decent pinblock if the piano lived in = this climate most of its life, similar to the piano Dale restored.  A = few real clean examples exist, valuing those is tough since they are so = nice, and should fetch more, perhaps quite a bit more.... Original = bass strings can be incredible on a Steinway, with even the steel-wound = strings coming out great after turning, a rare event for that type of = winding.   Yes, "ebonized" was common in 19th century pianos, = if the plate is clean and undamaged the word will be stamped.  Also = the Steinway log will say (sadly, one volume was stolen from Steinway = recently, and wasn't photocopied, a terrible loss).   Bill = Shull Shull Piano Inc. 590 E Industrial Rd 2 San Bernardino= , CA  92408 (909) 796-4226 In a message dated 4/19/04 = 6:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Erwinspiano@aol.com writes: <o:p></o:p> hi Ed =  Don't panic yet.  I paid $250.00 for an 1891 from the = Manteca unified school district about 8 years ago. It was Bahama yellow = with pretty flowers & about to fall over. Its is the one with a myriad = of ogees elegant three piece front & the round fluted legs. The block, = board & many things were quite good. The board has a lot of crown = still. Amazing.Restrung with 3s or 4s,refinish,yes in original ebony, = replace the missing three piece cut outs new keytops. Very beautiful = looking& sounding. If I did this today I'd ask 15 k.   My= opinion is that stwy uprights like this are worth anywhere between = $500.000 to $1500.00 in original & unbutchered condition. Hey do the = math on the items needed then speculate on the Market value in your = area.hmmm.  Dale Erwin <o:p></o:p></SP= AN> Dear = List- I'm dealing with a difficult situation with a customer = who has purchased an 1892 Steinway vertical on Ebay. = The piano has been = restrung in the plain wire and repinned in the bass, "turning the bass = strings."  The repinning was done with 4/0 pins with apparently no = preparation of the holes in the pinblock.  Pin torque varies wildly, = with many high treble pins over 225 inch pounds.  I cannot imagine = now how to restring properly without replacing the pinblock.  <= /FONT> Raising pitch 80 cents and tuning was miserably difficult, perhaps = tuning will be manageable when the strings have stabilized....? </FO= NT> Refinishing is a thin black lacquer (were 1890's verticals done in = ebony?), and the brass lock plate and pedals have been carefully polished.<= /SPAN> Hammers have been re-shaped past regulation, key pins turned in the = front bushings, and key covers glued to fit the notch, with the tips = overhanging, and no shaping. The customer had hopes of buying a piano = that would become a family heirloom.  The seller told her the old = bass strings were so good that they didn't need replacement, and that she = could eventually complete the restoration with new hammers and dampers.</SP= AN> I would be interested in your opinions of what is the going value = of an 1892 Steinway vertical, rebuilt to very good playing and tuning = condition, and what the purchase price of the instrument as it is should = be. Also I would appreciate your comments on the pinblock.= Thank you = very much. Ed Sutton <o:p></o:p></P= > = Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. = Modesto, Ca 95357 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason = &Hamlin Sales www.Erwinspiano.com <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></P= ></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>