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<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Yes ,
but where lies the difficulty is to ascertain the state of the internal =
of the
hammer before needling. One more strong jab in the heart of the hammer =
(the
original spring created while the first needling was done ) will unleash =
the
other parts too much and compromise the correct transmission of the
resiliency.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003></SPAN><SPAN =
class=071594407-22032003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I noticed that is a matter of =
imagination,
and recognize the absence of tone power, while the brightness =
of the
attack is often taken for power that is too a matter of pinching =
the
hammer to recognize where hardness lies .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>When
string mating problems begin to be noticed more and more that is often =
the sign
of lack of basic power in the hammer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>That
is why it is convenient to have some reserve, and try to work always on =
a
tensioned material.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Happily , if the tone is bad, most often we can find spots of =
hard felt,
responsive for that, and when untie the knots, their hardness goes =
around (above
reverently) , bringing back some energy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Best
Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=071594407-22032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Isaac OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur
SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98<BR>fax : 033 01 47 18 06 =
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> David =
Ilvedson
[mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> samedi 22 mars =
2003
00:14<BR><B>À :</B> oleg-i@wanadoo.fr; College and University
Technicians<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: Yamaha CFIII
Voicing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another words deep needling in the =
low
shoulders...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David I.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac =
OLEG</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org
href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College and University Technicians</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2003 =
3:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Yamaha CFIII =
Voicing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>In
too brilliant rooms it is not easy to voice down, probably =
impossible in
fact.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>If
the lower part of the hammer is packed down ad rigid because of the =
use and
the dryness of the air you should eventually treat them back to =
life as
if they were new.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>in
1987 I am not sure that CFIII hammers where as good as the actual =
ones, that
are clearly on the mellow side by my standards, but at this stage , =
the C7
is probably mellower.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Nowadays high shoulder needling , if the top of the hammer =
is not
lively, product not really long lasting results (if needled too =
softly too)
. On the other hand, even if you bring back some energy there, on =
old
hammers, your job will not hold as much as on recent
ones.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>It
is usual to bring back some tension from below before treating the =
high
zones, sometime, you eventually realize that the top have been too =
much
needled, and that you may shave a bit to keep some energy active
there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>If
the voicing don't last it is because only the higher regions of the =
hammer
are involved in the tone making, allowing the hammer to move more =
deep help
to keep the top active longer, because it does not compress on the =
low
shoulders as much as it is more suspended.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Clear as ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Sorry its late.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Best regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=538444522-21032003><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=538444522-21032003>I</SPAN>saac
OLEG<BR><BR>Entretien et réparation de =
pianos.<BR><BR>PianoTech<BR>17 rue de
Choisy<BR>94400 VITRY sur SEINE<BR>FRANCE<BR>tel : 033 01 47 18 06 =
98<BR>fax
: 033 01 47 18 06 90<BR>cell: 06 60 42 58 77 </FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B>
caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part =
de</B> Tom
Merrill<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 21 mars 2003
17:32<BR><B>À :</B> caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> =
Yamaha CFIII
Voicing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am the contract tech at Mesa =
State College
in Grand Junction, CO. We have a new 280 seat recital hall that =
has a very
bright lively acoustic and is easily overdriven by vocals and
instrumentals. I'm having a "dickens" of a time keeping the =
Yamaha
CFIII (circa 1987) with Yamaha hammers voiced down fairly mellow =
yet
articulate to please the pianists. They want lots of color =
with
projection, but not too loud. The piano gets used for solos =
and
accompanying small ensembles and vocals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I took every voicing class and =
voicing
tutoring in Chicago last summer and the Little Red School House =
last fall,
but lack the 30 years experience demanded by the =
situation!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can get the level of brightness =
where we
like it for a short period of time by </FONT><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2>high shoulder needling and a little sugarcoating on =
the
crown. But a week or two later, the felt packs down and it =
gets too
bright again. I've read in the archives that this piano has =
a fairly
heavy SB structure to compensate for the softer woods in the rim =
and needs
a fairly robust (w)hammer to get things moving. It seems to =
me that
we may have the wrong instrument and/or hammers for the =
application and
<FONT face=Arial size=2>that if we want a delicate, articulate =
colorful
piano, we oughta buy a Steinway that sounds that way to begin =
with.
Too bad the State of Colorado doesn't win its own
lottery....</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is anyone else successful in what =
I am trying
to do and could share some tips? I've thought about putting =
on a set
of Isaac Cadenzas. Is this a good idea? The other piano =
in the
room for duets is a Yamaha C7 (circa 2000). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your =
ideas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom Merrill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Grand Junction, CO (where minimum =
wage is a
high paying
job)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>