<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2726.2500" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C3A06F.794CDBC0" = rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I sent this privately to = Dave, but with all the discussion here, thought I'd throw it out for general = consumption.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having used all but the Verituner, I = can say that I find that the SAT (all three), RCT and Tunelab, all do a great = job.  I would give serious consideration to Tunelab Pocket.  In addition to = an older SAT, I have both TLPocket & Pocket RCT.  Both PPC devices = are good, though RCT has more bells & whistles.  However, TLPocket = has both a phase and a spectrum display.  The spectrum display is = particularly good for pitch raises w/out mutes, thereby speeding up the process, since you = can watch the pitch of the individual strings move.  May not seem like = much, but it really is handy, particularly with poorly scaled & noisy strings.  </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is also about half = the price of RCT, and is very easy to use.  There are instances where a jump = over to the RCT platform when I don't find the results I want.  = An additional benefit with the pocket pc, you have a handy tool for record = keeping & scheduling, & it will all fit in your shirt pocket.  I don't = use this capability to it's potential.  I must confess that my PPC has been = found to have the occasional sticky note clinging to it!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For pocket pc's, I have both an ipaq = 3835 & a 1910.  These are both refurbished units purchased from hp/compaq online.  With an educational discount the 1910 was under $160 & = is very small & light weight.  I have a case with a backup battery from = powerplant.com which will run steady for 2-4 days, depending on = use.  The battery is actually a CD battery which sells for $18. (about the size of = a CD jewel case)  I don't belive they sell that exact case anymore, but something similar should be available on e-bay.  The battery is in = a zipper pocket behind the ipaq.  It has enough room for my mini extension = lever, mutes, etc., so my basic tuning kit is about 7x9x2.5.  = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The whole case leans easily against the = action in an upright, or sits nicely on a small, folding book stand I got for $1 = from a book supply place.  I doubt I would go back to a dedicated ETD = for daily tuning use, though there may be some benefit in the shop at = times.  This is just too handy, acurate & compact.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For what it's worth.....but just = remember that ears & brains are still the essential tools for tuning.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Otto</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dforman@rider.edu href="mailto:dforman@rider.edu">Dave = Forman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 01, = 2003 8:58 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> ETD's</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Caut</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m considering buying = a new tuner, and I’m looking for advice. I’m looking at the SAT, <SPAN class=SpellE>Cybertuner</SPAN>, and <SPAN = class=SpellE>Verituner</SPAN>. What are your experiences with these, which do you prefer, and why. I‘ve = used an SAT I for 12 years, and I’m wondering if the newer devices do give a = better tuning.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave Forman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Westminster</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Choir</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:PlaceType><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">College</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> of </SPAN></FONT><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Rider</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:PlaceType><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">University</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>