<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C39C84.3AF114C0"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> Wim,<o:p></o:p></= span> <o:p> </o:p> The tenured person actually has to = push it. If you can get her to emphatically defend it (IMHO) then next year or so = it will happen. It may take time. In my experience it has to be “her brainchild”.  = <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I would consider the advice given = about an “adult ed.” class first. I have had 2 courses start there = and one end up as part of a state core curriculum for high school and another = led to a permanent college class. (Mind you, they were in music education and not = in piano) It’s also a more relaxed way to refine the class in a real teaching situation.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I know here at BYU things are a bit different because it is a private school, but believe me, the politics = are the same. I was told “NO!” to a tech program here, and in less = than 15 minutes I had sold the idea to the person above the one that told me no. = Needless to say, the “No” person isn’t endeared to me, but we = have our program! (BTW, our program is a simple mentoring program with 5 = students)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I guess in a nutshell “it = isn’t what you know, but who you know”. Wim, you have the ability and = persistence, so if you really want it bad enough you’ll probably get it! Start greasing the right wheel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <st1:PersonName>Jim = Busby</st1:PersonName> BYU<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Wimblees@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 27, = 2003 10:54 AM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: piano = class <o:p> </o:p> In a message dated 10/27/03 = 11:21:59 AM Central Standard Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes: <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> = I hate to say I told you so, but…  = = When we first started talking about a course I stated that it was a long, = sometimes difficult process with many possible snags and you seemed to be a little = short with me and then listed the lengthy “process” of getting a = class on the roster. If you didn’t listen to me then, please listen now. = The way to get a course approved is to secure the highest ranking tenured person = you can to champion the cause. Period. If you do that, then your chances are = pretty good. You, of all people should know the game of politics involved. = I’m your friend, not your adversary. This is one thing I do have experience in.  = Good luck, = Jim Busby BYU<o:p></o:p></spa= n> Jim Thank you for the valued advice, and I thought I took it. I did talk to = the highest ranking graduate professor. She is a piano professor who's been = in this department since 1953. How "high" can you get? When I talked = to her about the course, she said it was a great idea. I also discussed it with several other professors, including all of the other piano professors, = and they all thought it was a great idea. But maybe that's the side of college = politics I don't understand yet. Any way, I'm going to try again, and discuss it with each one of them = again. But I would like to have some figures to back me up this time. Wim <o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>