<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2604" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial = size=2>Speaking of Newton Hunt's guide...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial size=2>I = think I may have had a copy of that at one time.  I'm wondering if it is available = in print, or if it might even be permissible to have it posted on CAUT.  It = may come in handy for those who may be doing a procedure for the first time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=687195014-11042005> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial = size=2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>Ray T. Bentley, RPT<BR>Registered Piano Tuner-Technician<BR>Alton, IL<BR><A href="mailto:ray@bentley.net">ray@bentley.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.ray.bentley.net/">www.ray.bentley.net</A></FONT></DIV>= </SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr = align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of = </B>Mary Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 11, 2005 8:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> = College and University Technicians<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CAUT] Pricing of = upright versus grand hammer installation<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Yea, I think = Wim's on the right track here. Newton Hunt's "Guide" lists jobs by the number = of hours it takes to perform each (approximately). My standard pricing = procedure is to take my cost for the parts and multiply that by 40% to the customer. I = then calculate the number of hours it takes me to do a certain job (I used = to use "The Guide" a lot before I had done many of the listed jobs). Multiply = that by my hourly rate, add it together with the cost for parts, and send in = the bid. Ain't math wonderful? Oh, I also often "pad" the estimate by 10% or so = to provide for unforeseen problems. After all, an estimate is an = ESTIMATE, not the bottom line.<BR><BR>Mary<BR><BR>At 07:35 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial = size=2>In a message dated 4/9/2005 8:40:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, = jlolson@cal.net writes:<BR></FONT> <DL> <DD>No need to name specific prices -- which would doubtless = violate some <BR> <DD>obscure anti-trust law -- I'm just interested in what people = here think the <BR> <DD>"basic" price differential should be between installing grand = and upright <BR> <DD>hammers, based on the respective labor typically necessary for = the two <BR> <DD>(apart from the obvious purchase differential).<BR><BR> <DD>After all these years, the question struck me with sudden = force when I <BR> <DD>happened to undertake simultaneously three hammer hanging = projects of <BR> <DD>each -- hammering home, so to speak, the relative difference = in effort <BR> <DD>required.<BR><BR> <DD>Best,<BR><BR> <DD>JeffO<BR><BR></DD></DL>Jeff<BR> <BR>You know the price = difference between the parts, so what you want to know is the price = differential as far as how much time it takes to do each job. In that case, you can = probably answer your own question. If you are only replacing hammers, does it = take longer to remove upright hammers than grand hammers? Is there time difference in traveling, spacing, and burning upright hammers and = grand hammers? Are you including regulating the action too, and is there a = difference between the two. <BR> <BR>Wim  <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>