<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>RE: ETD's</title></head><body> <div>Lawrence,</div> <div><br></div> <div>Thank you for that clear and concise comparison. Could you share with us the time it takes you to do a good, solid tuning with each of these ETD's? That is, do any of them take noticeably longer than another? Thanks.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Mary Smith</div> <div>UT-Austin</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">Dave-</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">I've used SATs (I, II and III) since 1987, and am a 1-year user of CyberTuner on Pocket PC here at CCM.  But last winter I bought a Verituner, and continue to be amazed at how integrated the octaves are.  If the goal is a really smooth, controllable tuning, I think the VT is the best product I've tried.  It has a short but steep initial learning curve, and is not lightweight.  One battery charge will certainly get me through a day's tuning.</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">The CyberTuner is much more visually interesting, and the pitch raise mode gives good results for 1-pass tunings of pianos I've previously tuned.  Running on a Pocket PC, I can usually get 2 tunings before the battery warning comes on.  You need some sort of battery extender pack to make it viable in the field.  And a Pocket PC is definitely geared for a young person's eyesight (I need my reading glasses).</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">The SATs are extremely durable, and with 2-4 weeks between battery charges, win that contest hands-down.  They are very reliable, and probably the best instrument for measuring and research.  But they construct a tuning from 2 partials each of 3 notes; the CyberTuner uses multiple partials from 5 or 6 notes, automatically recorded, but then tunes following only one set of partials at a time; the Verituner automatically uses multiple partials from every note in the first 7 octaves in constructing the tuning and also the readout is amalgamating several of the partials of the note as it is being tuned.  A graph of a Verituner tuning is not smooth, but the aural result sure is.</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">My 1200 cents (x 7+1/3) worth.</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">Lawrence Becker, RPT</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">College-Conservatory of Music</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080">University of Cincinnati</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Georgia" size="-1" color="#000080"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1" color="#000000">-----Original Message-----<br> <b>From:</b> Dave Forman [mailto:dforman@rider.edu]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:59 AM<br> <b>To:</b> caut@ptg.org<br> <b>Subject:</b> ETD's</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1" color="#000000">Caut,</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1" color="#000000">I'm considering buying a new tuner, and I'm looking for advice. I'm looking at the SAT, Cybertuner, and Verituner. What are your experiences with these, which do you prefer, and why. I've used an SAT I for 12 years, and I'm wondering if the newer devices do give a better tuning.</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1" color="#000000"> </font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1" color="#000000">Dave Forman</font><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1" color="#000000">Westminster Choir College of Rider University</font></blockquote> <div><br></div> </body> </html>