<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C42777.44441300"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> I have 2 = Steinway uprights (early 1900’s) and plan to inject water thin optical = epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring.  I have done this on several = uprights and grands where replacing was not an option.  Works great.  Nice = feel.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <st1:PersonName>Lance Lafargue</st1:PersonName>, RPT<o:p></o:p> LAFARGUE = PIANOS<o:p></o:p> New Orleans = Chapter, PTG<o:p></o:p> 985.72P.IANO<o:p><= /o:p> <st1:PersonName>= llafargue@charter.net</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Bdshull@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, = 2004 12:31 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: Value of an = old steinway vertical <o:p> </o:p> Hi Ed, I agree with Dale about this.  Here in Southern California an = 1890's Steinway upright might still have a decent pinblock if the piano lived = in this climate most of its life, similar to the piano Dale restored.  A = few real clean examples exist, valuing those is tough since they are so nice, and = should fetch more, perhaps quite a bit more.... Original bass strings can be incredible on a Steinway, with even the steel-wound strings coming out great after turning, a rare event for = that type of winding.   Yes, "ebonized" was common in 19th century pianos, if the = plate is clean and undamaged the word will be stamped.  Also the Steinway = log will say (sadly, one volume was stolen from Steinway recently, and wasn't photocopied, a terrible loss).   Bill Shull Shull Piano Inc. 590 E Industrial Rd 2 San Bernardino, CA  92408 (909) 796-4226 In a message dated 4/19/04 6:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Erwinspiano@aol.com writes: <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> hi Ed  Don't panic yet.  I paid $250.00 for an 1891 from the Manteca unified school district about 8 years ago. It was Bahama yellow with = pretty flowers & about to fall over. Its is the one with a myriad of ogees = elegant three piece front & the round fluted legs. The block, board & = many things were quite good. The board has a lot of crown still. = Amazing.Restrung with 3s or 4s,refinish,yes in original ebony, replace the missing three = piece cut outs new keytops. Very beautiful looking& sounding. If I did = this today I'd ask 15 k.   My opinion is that stwy uprights like this are worth = anywhere between $500.000 to $1500.00 in original & unbutchered condition. = Hey do the math on the items needed then speculate on the Market value in your area.hmmm.  Dale Erwin <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Dear = List- I'm dealing with a difficult situation with a customer = who has purchased an 1892 Steinway vertical on Ebay. The piano has been restrung in the plain wire and = repinned in the bass, "turning the bass strings."  The repinning was = done with 4/0 pins with apparently no preparation of the holes in the = pinblock.  Pin torque varies wildly, with many high treble pins over 225 inch pounds.  I cannot imagine now how to restring properly without = replacing the pinblock.   Raising pitch 80 cents and tuning was miserably = difficult, perhaps tuning will be manageable when the strings have stabilized....? = Refinishing is a thin black lacquer (were 1890's = verticals done in ebony?), and the brass lock plate and pedals have been carefully polished. Hammers have been re-shaped past regulation, key pins = turned in the front bushings, and key covers glued to fit the notch, with the = tips overhanging, and no shaping. The customer had hopes of buying a piano that would = become a family heirloom.  The seller told her the old bass strings were so = good that they didn't need replacement, and that she could eventually = complete the restoration with new hammers and dampers. I would be interested in your opinions of what is the = going value of an 1892 Steinway vertical, rebuilt to very good playing and = tuning condition, and what the purchase price of the instrument as it is should = be. Also I would appreciate your comments on the = pinblock. Thank you very much. Ed Sutton <o:p></o:p> Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. Modesto, Ca 95357 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin Sales www.Erwinspiano.com <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html>