<HTML>In a message dated 8/8/03 8:06:38 PM Central Daylight = Time, skline@peak.org writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I remember Yvonne Ashmore getti= ng it off with ammonia -- she seemed to get rid of it far faster than I did when I tried it. Susan </BLOCKQUOTE> You'd have to wear a gas mask if you use it full strength. Wim </HTML>