<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C5B936.969F9320"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> <o:p> </o:p> Are these undercovers on pianos with dual tanks? With this type of installation I find that = the tanks are mounted to near the rims to use undercovers, at least tightly stretched ones.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>Mark Dierauf<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]><st1:place><st1:City>Concord</st1:City>, = <st1:State>NH</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span= > <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]><o:p> </o:p>= -----Original = Message----- From: Andrew Anderson [mailto:andrew@andersonmusic.com] Sent: <st1:date = Month="9" Day="13" Year="2005">Tuesday, September 13, 2005</st1:date> = <st1:time Hour="20" Minute="9">8:09 PM</st1:time> To: College and = University Technicians Subject: Re: [CAUT] DC = system on stage <o:p> </o:p> Barbara, I've used an undercover and there is no apparent sonic impact.  = There isn't supposed to be any.  It is stretchy, black, and covers things = up nicely.  At a distance people will not be able to discern that it = is "lumpy" because of the DC equipment.  I would do the = undercover for that reason alone, the additional benefit of isolating the climate = there from air-currents is just icing on the cake IMHO. Andrew At <st1:time Hour="18" Minute="25">06:25 PM</st1:time> = <st1:date Month="9" Day="13" Year="2005">9/13/2005</st1:date>, you wrote: <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p> Thanks, Mark.  If the proposal gets = approved, I'll be in touch.   Barbara Richmond   PS  Any pictures?     ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> From: <a = href="mailto:Cramer@BrandonU.ca">Mark Cramer</a> <o:p></o:p> To: <a href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">College = and University Technicians</a> <o:p></o:p> Sent: <st1:date Month="9" = Day="13" Year="2005">Tuesday, September 13, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time = Hour="17" Minute="33">5:33 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p> Subject: RE: [CAUT] DC system on = stage<o:p></o:p> Barbara, Bill,<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Sorry Bill, I'm not a big fan of the carts = either. <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> They are removed from the piano at precisely = the time I don't want "anything" changing around the piano. = <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> We do use them in = <st1:City><st1:place>Banff</st1:place></st1:City>, but only in the Rolston Recital Hall, and only (I believe) because this = is one hall where ambient conditions are indeed monitored and controlled. = <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I've encountered mold in only one instance = Bill (sorry to hear of your experiences); a new-to-me client with an 1970's L: the = tank was plugged directly into the wall... as in bypass the humidistat!  = (need I say more?) <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I'm not sure of the material Bill refers to = Barbara, but the cloth Dampp-Chaser's under-covers are made from will not absorb = sound, they're acoustic grille cloth. For all practical purposes: acoustic = impact = zero.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> So I will vote for an installed system with undercover. <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> The first benefit being to buffer the piano's = climate from changes and high air-movement within the hall.  = <o:p></o:p>    <o:p></o:p> The second really, is to nicely hide the = installation. Even if there is the odd wrinkle or bulge in the cloth, from the front = row the underside of the piano looks like a "sea of = black."<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> We've installed a few Barbara, so if I can = provide any install tips; <a = href="mailto:cramer@brandonu.ca">cramer@brandonu.ca</a><o:p></o:p></spa= n>  <o:p></o:p> Meanwhile, something the two of you (and = others?) may be interested in as well:<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I've just installed an "un-plug" = alarm in one of our ensemble rooms.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Un-plug the piano, and a concealed beeper = sounds until the piano is plugged back in. <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> So far so good. I've posted instructions = (that even music students can read), the piano has been moved, and the = "movee" figured out the "prompt" = immediately.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Sorry I cannot provide mechanical details, as = one of our engineers devised it. Basically it's a relay with a 9v batter and a = pulse beeper. <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> best regards to you = both,<o:p></o:p> Mark Cramer,<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Brandon</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName>University</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p></f= ont>  <o:p></o:p></f= ont>  -----Original = Message-----<o:p></o:p> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org = [<a href="mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> = mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org</a>]On Behalf Of Bdshull@aol.com<o:p></o:p> Sent: = <st1:date Month="9" Day="13" Year="2005">Tuesday, September 13, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="16" = Minute="3">4:03 = PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p> To: = caut@ptg.org<o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: [CAUT] DC system on = stage<o:p></o:p> Hi, Barbara, <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> My experience with buckets tight up to the = soundboard is that the board discolors, mold develops, and condensation causes = hardwood floors to betray water overhead.....Don't ask me how I know...but = shortly after that nasty experience several years ago Damppchaser extended the hanger = length considerably.  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> A cover under the piano will certainly affect = the reflection of sound...but there are probably folks on the list who could = tell you how much, in their own experience....I'm interested too!   = <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Just to go with my "cart" idea = again....the cart can be kept under the piano on stage, and removed just for = performances, of course....<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> OR....the piano can be equipped with heater = bars and humidistat, and the cart only with humidifiers, and used as much as possible.   <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Bill Shull<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> In a message dated <st1:date = Month="9" Day="13" Year="2005">9/13/2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="13" = Minute="20">1:20:03 PM</st1:time> Pacific Daylight Time, piano57@insightbb.com = writes:<o:p></o:p> Thanks, Bill.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Hmm....my goal was a system that could always = be plugged in (there are a lot of outlets on that black stage floor), to = avoid the syndrome of nice-atmosphere-while-in-storage and then all heck breaks = out when it's moved on stage.  You know what I = mean?<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Barbara Richmond<o:p></o:p> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> From: <a = href="mailto:Bdshull@aol.com">Bdshull@aol.com</a> <o:p></o:p> To: <a = href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</a> = <o:p></o:p> Sent: <st1:date Month="9" = Day="13" Year="2005">Tuesday, September 13, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time = Hour="15" Minute="9">3:09 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: [CAUT] DC system on = stage<o:p></o:p> In a message dated <st1:date = Month="9" Day="13" Year="2005">9/13/2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="12" = Minute="59">12:59:21 PM</st1:time> Pacific Daylight Time, <a = href="mailto:piano57@insightbb.com">piano57@insightbb.com</a> writes:<o:p></o:p> Hi all,<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Does anyone have a picture of, or could = direct me to a picture of a Steinway D with a full DC system with = undercover--preferably on a stage?   I have submitted a proposal for the DC system, but a = friend pointed out to me, that sometimes, because the humidifier buckets hang = down a bit, the piano looks.........pregnant.   I doubt my technical director would be happy with such a look and would like him to see it = before hand.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Thanks much.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Barbara Richmond, = RPT<o:p></o:p> Barbara, If you could forego the undercover, = you could modify the Jahn stands which Dampp-chaser is experimenting with.  = They are single system carts with a leg on each corner, and need to be combined = into a dual system stand which straddles the truck;   I did this = during the summer, and will be sending Roger Wheelock the modification drawings = when I "get it together."   <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Bill Shull<o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>