<html> Bob, Several years ago, I was one of the very first people to be blasted by Mr. Bremmer on pianotech.  It was an ugly, unfortunate series of incidents which I do not choose to repeat.  He is, in fact, the major reason that I (and several others) no longer actively participate on pianotech.  Mail from or to him, referencing him in a subject line, etc., is automatically filtered to the trash by my email program.  So far, CAUT has been a haven from his brand of exploitive, demeaning vilification.  Since this list is not filtered as to membership, it has always been a question of time before he posts here, as well, and that will probably drive me away from this venue, too. So far, in the interval since that nasty period, my mode has been to reply privately to individuals who raise issues about which I feel that I may have something constructive to offer.  Other than that, I remain a silent observer on pianotech.  I know that other, above average technicians have chosen the same path.  I think that what I am asking here is that, however you need to respond to the Bill Bremmers of the world, please do not so raise their consciousness of this list that we wind up with the same issues here.  That his presence on the other list actively limits the input and freedom of exchange which makes this method of communication so essential and crucial to the profession is self-evident.  There are simply too few sources of real knowledge available to us.  None of us have any hope of having all the answers.  Every time _anyone_ (including those annoying apprentice-level types who somehow manage to ask the very questions that the rest of us really should be asking) drops out, we all suffer.  The most that we can hope to do is to be of sufficient service to each other so that the profession does not go the way of the dodo altogether.  While I respect Andy's philosophical commitment to open lists, Bill (and a very small number of others) through his consistent refusal to behave within reasonable bounds of common courtesy, push that commitment well past its reasonably foreseeable limits.  That being the case, the options left available to the rest of us are appallingly limited. End of rant. Horace At 12:54 PM 10/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>  ----- Original Message ----- From: <<a href="mailto:Billbrpt@AOL.COM">Billbrpt@AOL.COM</a>> To: <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: Re: HT Experience > Ah Baloney!  .  You gotta get people up in arms and going up to the piano, > banging on it, holding their ears, shaking their heads, grimacing and walking > out steaming!  Now you're gettin' somewhere! > Bill Bremmer RPT > Madison, Wisconsin Bill,   Out of genuine curiosity..what would your world be like if, lets say you were a chartered accountant. Would you insist that the abacus is the only way to go. Fill out your tax form using Roman Numerals, (not a bad idea) or come up with a completely different logarithmic table? After all....you say you are 15 years ahead of us all if I read you correctly.   ET has its place...HT as well. I use one or the other where applicable. Simple. This topic seems to becoming a bit long in the tooth..definitely repetitive, if not a tad obsessive in some cases.   No grins, (can't stand those), no abbreviations, no smiley faces...just my humble opinion, and.. since you can't hear me, said in a soft sincere voice.   Bob Moffatt Calgary, Alberta Canada  </blockquote> ********************************************* Horace Greeley, CNA, MCP, RPT Systems Analyst/Engineer Controller's Office, Stanford University 651 Serra St., RM 100 Stanford, CA 94305 Voice:  650.725.9062 Fax:     650.725.8014 *********************************************</html>