<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @font-face { font-family: Calisto MT; } @font-face { font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman" } SPAN.emailstyle17 { FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: = "Calisto MT"; TEXT-DECORATION: none } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US id=role_body bottomMargin=7 vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <DIV>All of us our different individuals, = fulfilling our own unique visions...except me, of course.  </DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>JeffO</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=caut@ptg.org href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">'College and University Technicians'</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 = 7:02 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: [CAUT] = Differences?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> This = discussion is definitely a slippery slope and people are sensitive, overly in my = view.  It’s too bad really.  I don’t agree with Roger, we’re not = all equal—at least not in innate ability, and there are gender differences (thankfully).  How those differences manifest themselves in terms = of piano technician potential I certainly can’t answer nor would I = claim that those differences are ever relevant for any individual.  But = there are patterns and if your goals aren’t prejudicial, it can be interesting = to observe them.  The sooner we learn to appreciate those = differences rather than fall into the trap of “equal rights means we are all the = same” the better off we’ll be.  Of course, IMHO.  <DIV> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net = </DIV> -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Jeannie Grassi Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 = 3:27 PM To: = 'College and University Technicians' Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences?   Wim, Not = to be confrontational....But, when you make general, sweeping statements = about how women do or don’t behave, that IS being sexist!!! =   If = you were to make the same sort of generalities about a minority group, I think you = could see how that would be equally as misguided.   Perhaps the observations you’ve made about your wife, may just have to do with = your wife and not all women, as you suggested.  There are many reasons why = she may have preferred tuning.  There are many reasons why she may be mechanically challenged...one of which is that the toys and = opportunities marketed for girls offer them little in that direction.  I had no = brothers and I never got to have all the “cool” toys and games = that all the boys got.  (At least to me they were way cooler.)  Back = then, parents thought they shouldn’t cross over the gender lines with = those things.  Changing diapers on baby dolls was the most mechanical = thing some of us got to do.  And if you take a stroll down the aisles = of Toys R Us, you’ll see that it hasn’t changed all that much.  =   When = young girls are encouraged to have their own tools, build things, fix = things, take things apart....they are having some of the basic experiences that = begin to develop mechanical reasoning.  At least in this area, things have = begun to change.  It is the attitudes of those of us making decisions = for young women that still need to change.    I = kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might re-examine your thinking about = such things.  Step up to the 21st century.  A lot of = us are here!  :>) Respectfully, jeannie   <DIV> Jeannie Grassi, RPT <A href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net">mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</A>= </DIV>   <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: = center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV></DIV> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Wimblees@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, = 2006 3:36 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences?</DIV>   <DIV> <DIV> In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, = jim_busby@byu.edu writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; = PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; = PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> A serious question here; I’ve got three daughters and a son who have = learned to do quite a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do tedious = shop work but HATE to tune. The boy loves to tune but doesn’t like shop work = all that much. I just thought it was their personalities until I started = having students work here at BYU. Seems the same applies. I don’t want to = come across as sexist in any way, but I want to understand why. All the = female students seem to excel more at the shop skills, but seem to dislike = tuning. It seems harder for them than the guys. They seem to be less = aggressive and more perfectionists and can hardly stand it if they don’t get it = right NOW. There are other teachers besides me so I don’t think my teaching = style is to be blamed. I guess the real question is, do women (physically, = mentally…) have a harder time learning to tune?? I really want to encourage = more women to take up the trade. (Help!)   Jim Busby BYU  </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV> Jim</DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> <DIV> Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT more patience than men. Again, not to be sexist, but that is why they make good = secretaries. They catch all the mistakes their male bosses make. = </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> <DIV> But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago I taught my wife to tune. = She did fine with that, but she is more or less mechanically challenged. She does not do well using tools. So when I tried = teaching her regulation and do minor repairs, it just didn't register = with her. I think part of the reason is that she didn't do the same = thing within a couple of days. I could teach how to do one procedure, but = unless she could do it again within a week, she would forget what to = do.  I taught her how to do let off on a direct blow action. But when I tried = to show her the same thing on a drop action, it didn't register with her. The = same with making repairs. </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> <DIV> Wim </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>