<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Re: [CAUT] Piano Horse</title> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> I’ll add my = “amen” to that blasphemy, Rick.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Barrus movers are <st1:State = w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Utah</st1:place></st1:State>’s #1 movers and they = told me they ALWAYS move with the lyre and have never had a mishap in over 35 years! = We have a piano horse and rarely use it because of the space needed to do it. = Besides, it always feels like it’s ready to slip = out…<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Jim = Busby<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Rick Florence Sent: Monday, February = 27, 2006 10:39 AM To: <st1:PersonName = w:st="on">College and University Technicians</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Piano = Horse<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> List, So now that I've seen a few variations of extra moving equipment that is = either large and cumbersome and/or expensive,  I'll offer my = suggestion... Simplify and use the lyre. (Blasphemy!!!!!!) Not long ago I cursed movers who used the lyre.  I have repaired = too many over the years to accept the movers'  claims of no damage.  I = soon came to the conclusion, however, that I would rather repair a lyre than = my back.  After seeing the Grand Lyre Stabilizer in the QRS catalogue, = I decided to order one for ASU and try it out.  3 years later I still = have not broken a lyre, or had to repair a glue joint.  Now I only curse = movers who use an unstabilized lyre. If you must do the moving yourself, the less equipment to lug around, = the better.  Our moving equipment consists of a straight wheeled dolly, = the stabilizer bar, an old tire tube (stem removed) to hold the lid and = fallboard in place, and whatever tool we need to remove the leg(s). =   Tipping directly on to a dolly (as opposed to a skid board) reduces the angle on = the rear leg and lyre and reduces the required lifting at the bottom where = you're most likely to injure your back.   I have done moves myself, but almost always do it with help.  A = grand on it's side is a pretty risky move with just one person.  If the = university is concerned about risk, I would ask them which is more risky, having = the correct number of people moving a 600-900 lb. piano, or waiting for the = day when the piano falls on you or someone else as you attempt to do a two = man job with one person.  If your administrator doesn't seem to care, a = quick call to your campus OSHA representative will get things moving (pun = intended). Happy moving, Rick on 2/27/06 9:30 AM, Andrew Anderson at andrew@andersonmusic.com = wrote:<o:p></o:p> David I made one much like Brad's.  Only wider and with = jacking tops on both of them.  I clamp the skid to the piano set the tilter with/without blocks to set on the floor or on dollys. Mine is way too heavy though.  I'm looking to have one engineered = out of steel. Andrew Anderson At 09:23 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote:<o:p></o:p> Brad, Now if you had another one that was configured to turn it over onto a = dolly (for when you're actually moving the piano not storing it in the = corner)...that would be even nicer...no one likes to deadlift the end of the board to = install a dolly...;-] David Ilvedson, RPT <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Pacifica</st1:City>, = <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State></st1:place> <o:p></o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=3 width="100%" align=center> </div> Original message From: "Brad Smith, RPT" To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">College and University = Technicians</st1:PersonName>" Received: 2/27/2006 1:43:24 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Piano Horse Hi All, Here is a link to my solution for this: http://www.smithpiano.com/shop/ On 2/26/06, Rob & Helen Goodale = <rrg@unlv.nevada.edu> wrote: Hello, Thanks for all the great responses.  Is there somewhere on-line = that I can see a picture of the "piano horse"? Rob Goodale, RPT <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Las Vegas</st1:City>, = <st1:State w:st="on">NV</st1:State></st1:place> <o:p></o:p> _____________ Rick Florence Senior Piano Technician <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Arizona</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType = w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>, <st1:place = w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName = w:st="on">Music</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p= > </div> </body> </html>