"Feelin' in Tune" (part II)+

[pianoman]

Hi all,
This is the main reason I wear my right pants leg around my pocket out
first.  By bracing my leg under the keybed I feel all the vibrations from
the piano and also it give me more leverage to move the tuning pins.  You
can always spot me in a crowd cause I'm the one with worn places on my
pants on the top of my right pants pocket.
James Grebe
R.P.T. from St. Louis
pianoman@inlink.com
"Take me through the darkness to the break of the day"

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> From: Zen Reinhardt <diskladame@provide.net>
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Subject: Re: "Feelin' in Tune" (part II)
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 7:13 PM
> 
> Yes indeed --
> 
> It's amazing what your bones are good for when tuning in difficult
> situations.  I have found that my tuning arm resting along the stretcher
is
> great for picking up beatspeeds when testing bass octaves.  Before I got
my
> SAT I depended on this phenomenon when tuning in noisy situations
> (soundchecks, between sets at outdoor festivals, and the list is long).
> 
> Anyone who has had a hearing test may remember having a speaker-like
device
> held onto the back of the head and being asked to listen for tones. 
That's
> right -- those were heard through the bones and not the ears.
> 
> ZR!  RPT
> Ann Arbor  MI
> diskladame@provide.net
> 
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> > From: cpstout <cpstout@henge.com>
> > To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > Subject: "Feelin' in Tune" (part II)
> > Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 4:39 PM
> > 
> > PTG subscribers, <Pianotech.org>			10/24/97
> > 
> > 	"Mr. Stout, I could care less about the OCTAVES on my 
> > 	piano.  Just get the FIFTHS in tune" remarked Mrs. 
> > 	Johnson, pastor's wife in n.w. Kansas some thirty years
> > 	ago.  Trouble is just one thing - she couldn't or didn't
> > 	tell me HOW!!!
> > 
> > 	In passing, let me assert that undoubtedly she had one 
> > 	of the best senses of hearing I have even yet encount-
> > 	ered... she could 'name notes' (what I like to call what
> > 	is often called 'Perfect (ugh!) Pitch';  was started on 
> > 	development of 'naming notes' and 'how to hear' by her
> > 	Dr. father;  was graduated with a Masters in piano per-
> > 	formance and taught in a small college;  and could 
> > 	actually hear the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th + partials 'come in'.
> > 
> > 	After playing an octave (mid-section of the piano), she
> > 	showed me how to listen for all the partials sounding.
> > 	After some 32 years, I can still remember her touching me
> > 	on the hand when she heard them 'come in'.  Finally I could
> > 	distinguish partials 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 sound but not when
> > 	they become a whole step apart, i.e., 7, 8, 9, etc.  And 
> > 	I have never, to this day doubted that she could discern
> > 	partials even further distant from the fundamental!  All 
> > 	this came with less than 18 months tuning experience, and
> > 	WITHOUT the much help in tuning except a couple of PTG
> > 	seminars.
> > 
> > 		Note-  Mrs Johnson finally took the tuning
> > 		hammer and finished the 5/6 single bass strings
> > 		herself!  (Yes, I got paid the going fee, even
> > 		though she probably had it re-tuned shortly
> > 		thereafter...)
> > 
> > 		Mrs Johnson was my first and, to this day, the
> > 		ONLY person, privately or in tuning classes, to
> > 		DEMONSTRATE how the ear hears partials sound.
> > 		She pointed out that the snd partial (octave)
> > 		takes the longest to 'sound' and then #'s 3, 4,
> > 		5, 6, etc on higher much faster and not in
> > 		rhythm on any sort.  .... hmmmm - would this be
> > 		partial subject matter for a tuning class in
> > 		the future???  (Probably the last few rows 
> > 		couldn't hear the demo, though.)
> > 
> > 	Now for the "Feelin' in Tune" portion.  Both HEARING and
> > 	FEELING partials are in accretion to each other!  Since I
> > 	am tall (6'4"), when first tuning I found hammer technique
> > 	improved by placing my knees against the underside of the
> > 	keybed.  Thus 20 years later I learned that BONE TRANSMIS-
> > 	SION of vibration amplifies what we hear in the ear; to-wit,
> > 	Dr. Berlin's New Orleans class at the 1989 national conven-
> > 	tion (see email from 10/12/97 for details).
> > 
> > 	Somewhere along the way I further implemented the fact that
> > 	'placing the elbow - or the side of the hand holding the
> > 	tuning hammer AGAINST the piano - also helped hearing the
> > 	partial series, not that I would wait the three seconds or
> > 	so required for ALL co-incidental partials to speak. 
> > 
> > 	I use, as an aid, the Saunderson Accu-Tuner (and wouldn't 
> > 	be without it!) but tuned sixteen years aurally first.
> > 	Piano tuning, w/electronics, uses two of our five faculity
> > 	senses - sight PLUS hearing.  Contiguously, even unkowningly
> > 	we all use the sense of FEEL while tuning - again bone
> > 	transmission of vibration.  That makes three of the five
> > 	faculity senses we are given.  (If tuning employs the
> > 	other two - tasting and smelling (pun intended!) I will
> > 	completely retire from tuning.  :-) 
> > 
> > 	In addition to using ears and eyes to tune, plus the 		
> > 	afore-mentioned 'trickniques', there is still yet another 
> > 	even more important 'feel'. particularly of unisons... by
> > 	placing the thumb of the hand doing the actual playing of
> > 	the note being tuned AGAINST the keyslip.  (If you tune
> > 	right handed, it would be the LEFT thumb against the key-
> > 	slip board, all the time striking the key with the MIDDLE
> > 	left finger.
> > 
> > 		Note - It is also very helpful, after temperament
> > 		of F3 to F4, to tune up to B4.  (I like to unison
> > 		as I go, correcting any slippage or error before
> > 		continuing.) 
> > 
> > 		After tuning B4, you can then tune down from F3.
> > 		By actually sounding B4 BEFORE striking E3, it is
> > 		very easy to both HEAR and WATCH E3 come in phase
> > 		with the octave-fifth (12th) above.
> > 
> > 	At the risk of needing more 'Hartford fire insurance', (pun
> > 	intended) for my 'flaming', I make this statement.  "It has
> > 	been a long time (how long? ...probably since the Accu-Tuner)
> > 	since I have depended on the OCTAVE to tune any bass note.
> > 	95% of the time, I never sound a bass octave, the octave 5th
> > 	is that dependable. 
> > 
> > 	As first mentioned, Mrs Johnson never told me HOW to tune the
> > 	perfect fifths, but she knew she wanted those intervals PURE.
> > 	Does any of the above comment amplify the present 'thread
> > 	on PURE 5th Tuning'?  Anyway, thanks for listenin'..And may
> > 	all your fifths be PURE - not liquid!!!  ...pun intended
> > 
> > 			Clarence (Clancy) Stout, R.P.T.
> > 			35 year member, P.T.G.
> > 			Nebraska Chapter
> > 			Holyoke, CO  80734-1757
> > 			(970) 854-3328 (calls welcome)
> > 		 
> > Jim - Your comments please!  and Thanks in Advance - Clancy