Heck Terry, Cut me some slack, I'm not going deaf, just need a remedial reading programme. <g> Now where is horizontal? and where is vertical???????????? I can see you l laughing with my bionic eye. Roger At 05:32 AM 02/08/00 -0400, you wrote: >">If there is a cap and it is not split, how would you see the seperation?<" > >I can't pass on this one: Gee Roger, if you can determine that a hammer >flange pinning is at 4 grams rather than the preferred 6 grams just by >listening to the not being struck, then can't you tell that a bridge is >delaminated just by listening?????????????? ;-) I think that would sound >perhaps like a freight train to those of you with the bionic ears! > >Terry Farrell >Piano Tuning & Service >Tampa, Florida >mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roger Jolly" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:32 AM >Subject: Re: Bridge gain delamination > > >> Hi Terry, >> that's what I was thinking, with a fairly thin bridge cap >that >> exposes the laminations at the notch. >> If it is an exposed vertical lamination like Baldwin then the fix I >> suggested works well. If there is a cap and it is not split, how would you >> see the seperation? >> >> Mystified Roger >> >> >> At 10:54 PM 01/08/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >Yes, but in this case Roger was making the assumption that there was a >> >bridge cap.....like in a Steinway......... "<I presume the bridge cap is >not >> >cracked.>" >> > >> >Terry Farrell >> >Piano Tuning & Service >> >Tampa, Florida >> >mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Don" <drose@dlcwest.com> >> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >> >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:51 AM >> >Subject: Re: Bridge gain delamination >> > >> > >> >> Hi Terry, >> >> >> >> Some grands don't have bridge caps. Therefore the vertical laminations >are >> >> quite accesseable. >> >> >> >> At 11:21 AM 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >Roger: O Yee of Great Wisdom. I read these posts with great interest, >> >always >> >> >trying to learn about a situation before I run into it. In the post >> >below, >> >> >if the vertical laminations on the bridge have delaminated (I assume >we >> >are >> >> >talking the main portion of the bridge below the bridge cap) and the >> >bridge >> >> >cap is not cracked, how do you get epoxy into and spread around in the >> >> >vertically delaminated areas - isn't the bridge cap covering all this, >> >> >rendering the delaminated area inaccessable??????? >> >> > >> >> >Terry Farrell >> >> >Piano Tuning & Service >> >> >Tampa, Florida >> >> >mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com >> >> > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> >From: "Roger Jolly" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca> >> >> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >> >> >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:35 PM >> >> >Subject: Re: Bridge gain delamination >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> >> I am assuming that the splits are only in the >vertical >> >> >> laminations. >> >> >> I have successfully repaired a number of Baldwin vertically >laminated >> >> >> bridges with separations. >> >> >> >> >> >> You need a few cabinet makers wooden handscrews. ( the wooden clamps >> >with >> >> >> two handscrews) The points of the jaws will allow you to slip down >> >> >between >> >> >> the side of the bridge and the plate. Or you can modify them on a >band >> >> >saw >> >> >> so that you can get a good grip on the sides of the bridges.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Remove enough strings to give you room to work. Dry clamp the >> >offending >> >> >> area and see if you can draw the split together, usually no problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> Remove the bridge pins that have hair line cracks. >> >> >> >> >> >> I use West System thin epoxy. Swab the pin holes, and the split. >> >Install >> >> >> new bridge pins. >> >> >> Tighten clamps. Clean excess with acetone. Leave for 24hrs to >cure. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have not used wooden handscrews. You need to practice a >little >> >> >> before you start. They have a good deal of clamping power once you >get >> >> >> used to them, and are less prone to marking or denting your work. >> >> >> >> >> >> Replacing the bridge pins is a personal fetish for this type of >repair. >> >> >But >> >> >> the pin will act like a pump and fill your small cracks from the >> >bottom. >> >> >> >> >> >> I presume the bridge cap is not cracked. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hope this is of help. >> >> >> >> >> >> Roger >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 11:57 AM 31/07/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >> >Dear List: >> >> >> >I just returned from a piano evaluation, for a customer looking to >buy >> >a >> >> >> (32 year >> >> >> >old) small model 350 Kawai grand, walnut veneer, for $4500. >Everything >> >> >> looked AOK >> >> >> >EXCEPT: >> >> >> >the bridge gain (cf. Mason, he also calls it the bridge core; I'd >call >> >it >> >> >the >> >> >> >bridge body) is separating along the diagonal joint 3-4 notes above >> >the >> >> >> >tenor/treble break. There's minor cracking of the bridge surface at >> >the >> >> >> bridge >> >> >> >pins, but there's clearly been some glue joint failure at the joint >in >> >> >the >> >> >> body of >> >> >> >the bridge (the sides of the bridge are no longer flush, the joint >> >line >> >> >is >> >> >> too >> >> >> >prominent). No tonal deficiencies because of it (yet). >> >> >> >I'm (optimistically) thinking I could fix this in the home by >running >> >> >> screws with >> >> >> >washers through the separated parts, soak epoxy into the slight but >> >real >> >> >> >separation, etc. I'm hoping that with 2-3 sessions the bridge >should >> >be >> >> >AOK. >> >> >> >Have any of you had success with this kind of repair on other Asian >> >> >pianos >> >> >> (I've >> >> >> >seen this as a problem area on all of their long bridges)? >> >> >> >Or should I tell my customer to back out of the deal? >> >> >> >Comments, Jim Jon Ron Roger et al? >> >> >> > >> >> >> Roger Jolly >> >> >> Saskatoon, Canada. >> >> >> 306-665-0213 >> >> >> Fax 652-0505 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards, >> >> Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. >> >> Tuner for the Saskatchewan Centre of the Arts >> >> drose@dlcwest.com >> >> http://donrose.htmlplanet.com/ >> >> >> >> 3004 Grant Rd. >> >> REGINA, SK >> >> S4S 5G7 >> >> 306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner >> >> >> >> >> > >> Roger Jolly >> Saskatoon, Canada. >> 306-665-0213 >> Fax 652-0505 >> > Roger Jolly Saskatoon, Canada. 306-665-0213 Fax 652-0505
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