At 09:01 PM 5/25/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >pianotech-digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 480 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:39 -0300 >From: piano.tech@ns.sympatico.ca (John Ross) >Subject: Re: Los Alamos Fires > >Hi, >I don't know about warranty, but what would the quote be for a rebuild? :-) >Regards, >John M. Ross > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: robert goodale <rrg@nevada.edu> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:08 AM >Subject: Re: Los Alamos Fires > > >> Any chance for warranty coverage here? >> >> Rob Goodale, RPT >> Las Vegas, NV >> >> >> Richard Raskob wrote: >> >> > Hello List, >> > >> > A very nice couple sent me pictures of what happens to a 1918 >Steinway M >> > when it meets a Forest Fire. >> > >> > http://www.rt66.com/~raskobrg/LAFire.htm is a link to my site if you >want >> > to see for yourself. I know of at least two more Steinways that >suffered a >> > similar fate to this old beauty. The pictures show all that was found >of >> > the piano. >> > >> > Richard Raskob RPT >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:41:43 EDT >From: Wimblees@AOL.COM >Subject: a dim view > >David: > >For some reason you have opted to view me as a "hater of all Aossciates". >Even though I write the posts, most of what I write I heard from other RPT's >over the years. These are not necessarily my views alone. > >I don't know how long you have been a member of PTG, but I have been one for >23 years. I have served on the PTG Board as CWRVP for 2 years, I have been a >delegate or alternate to Council for about 20 of those 23 years. I am a CTE, >and have gien countless exams. I have served on a number of PTG committees, >and taught a countless seminars and conventions. I have also served my >chapter in every office, and I was the newsletter editor for over 10 years. >So I have actively been around for a long time. > >The views I present are a compilation of what I have learned over the years. >I agree that there is another point of view, but I believe in what I say. And >trust me, I am not alone. > >So remember,. when you pick on me, you are pickingon a large number of >members who feel the same way I do. You might not like it, but that is the >way it is. > >Read Carol's latest post. Most of her ideas I have presented to this list on >previous occasions. I strongly feel that the current set up is unfair, and >inequitable. I want the PTG to either drop Assocaites from its rank, or go >the other way, and give Assocaites full rights and priveledges. But to ge >those rights and priveledges, non RPT's must prive some level of competence. >As Cariol suggested, a rebuildere doens't have to show aural tuning skils, >just as an in home tuner, doesn't ahve to show rebuilding skills. There is >room in the PTG for both. > >What I don't like is the attidue some are taking that ALL Associates be given >equal rights just because they pay dues. There has to be accountability. As >I said in a previousl post, when Associates become more than 50% of the >membership, the PTG will have lost omne of its' priciples of providing "the >best possible piano service to the piano community". (ART.1, Sec. B5.) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:45:59 EDT >From: Wimblees@AOL.COM >Subject: A dim view, rewrite > >List > >I am sorry for the post to David on "A Dim View" That was supposed to go the >PTG-L list. Also, excuse the spelling mistakes. I accidentally pushed the >"send" button, instead of the spell check button. > >And I forgot to sign the post. > >Willem Blees > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:01:20 EDT >From: JIMRPT@AOL.COM >Subject: Re: Re: pianotech-digest V2000 #477 > >In a message dated 5/25/2000 9:56:31 AM, San French wrote: > ><<I strongly suggest getting in touch with Bill Spurlock and Fern > >Henry...two of the most successful husband/wife tech teams around>> > >San; > Wording glitche here? Or have Bill and Fern gotten into bigamy? :-) >Jim Bryant (FL) > Jim~ Thanks. The language Is going to pot...you're right :-) ! Anywayz~ I'm hoping the message got across. By the way, it's glitch not glitche. ::-(). San French (NM) PS~ They have always been a bit kinky though. >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:10:23 EDT >From: Pianofxrguy@AOL.COM >Subject: Re: Los Alamos Fires > >In a message dated 05/24/2000 11:55:52 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >raskobrg@Rt66.com writes: > ><< what happens to a 1918 Steinway M > when it meets a Forest Fire. >> > >Very sobering pictures. Worked on a piano pulled out of a muddy field after a >tornado once, no big deal. But, fire is a pretty scary thing. - insert >reflections on the fleeting nature of material possessions- > >John S. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:26:28 -0500 >From: "Ray T. Bentley" <Ray@Bentley.net> >Subject: Re: Los Alamos Fires > >Richard, > >Keep those pictures as evidence for your client. The U. S. Government >should replace the piano for them. > >I worked with an insurance company after the flood of '93 in our area to get >a piano replaced for a small country church. They had a picture of the >piano sitting in flood waters up to the keyboard. We were able to get them >a better quality piano than the one they lost with the insurance proceeds. > >Ray T. Bentley, RPT >Alton, IL (On the Mississippi north of St. Louis) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:04:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: Wallace Scherer <p003520b@pb.seflin.org> >Subject: Re: Need a Tuner/Technician in Northern Virginia > >Hi Mark, > >You're in luck! It just so happens that the national convention of piano >technicians will be in your area in July, so surely one of them will be >willing to get your old bird cage tuned up! Be sure to ask them if they >have had experience with these. If they have, they should use the Papps mute. > >Wally Scherer >formerly of Tidewater > > >Send e-mail to: WallyTS@iname.com or >p003520b@pb.seflin.org >Web page: <http://www.geocities.com/vienna/2411> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:40:41 -0400 >From: "Phil Bondi" <tito@PhilBondi.com> >Subject: RE: Re: Midnight Puzzler/Foul Committee > >> Dear Sir; >> As we take all claims of "foul" seriously the foul committee has reviewed >> your claim. > >Who exactly was on this 'committee'? - A committee consists of a 'group' of >people...my smeller tells me that the good ole boY network is firmly in place and >acting accordingly. > > >> "Dear Sir; >> You have two further chances of your request for prize award, slim and fat." >> >..further evidence of the above statement! > >YankeeRook > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:27 -0600 >From: "Jonathan Adams" <jmadams@telusplanet.net> >Subject: Re: Husband & Wife teams > >> >One technician does not need the permission of another to start up in >this >> >business. An existing technician does not own the market in a given >area. >> >Newcomers are free to compete for their market share. Why wouldn't this >> >same reasoning apply to Ra Byn and Tara? >> >> Because Tara, bless her heart, is not arriving independently with her own >> independently developed skills. She is there because Robin opened up his >> business to her, providing her with the training and tools for this very >> rare skill. > >Tara hasn't even begun to develope skills yet, she is considering learning >the trade. If Tara were presented with a noncompete clause and refused to >sign, there would be little anyone could do to prevent her from learning to >be a technician anyway. She could pursue it like any other newcomer to the >trade; join the PTG, attend meetings, buy the source manuals and PACE >lessons, acquire her own tools, attend seminars and conventions, and >eventually build her own clientele. The knowledge is there for the taking, >it is not a rare thing at all. > >Stacy Adams >PTG Associate > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:02:47 EDT >From: Kdivad@AOL.COM >Subject: Re: a dim view > >In a message dated 05/25/2000 9:22:23 AM Central Daylight Time, >Wimblees@AOL.COM writes: >Wim, I am posting this reply to the list because it is already out and I feel >my views should be aired publicly. >> David: >> >> For some reason you have opted to view me as a "hater of all Aossciates". >> Even though I write the posts, most of what I write I heard from other >RPT's >> over the years. These are not necessarily my views alone. > >I do not view you as a hater of all Associates- just as an elitist, if you >are not an elitist then tell me why, I will listen. I will also say that my >views are not mine alone. >> > >> I don't know how long you have been a member of PTG, but I have been one >for >> 23 years. I have served on the PTG Board as CWRVP for 2 years, I have been >a >> delegate or alternate to Council for about 20 of those 23 years. I am a >CTE, >> and have gien countless exams. I have served on a number of PTG >committees, >> and taught a countless seminars and conventions. I have also served my >> chapter in every office, and I was the newsletter editor for over 10 >years. >> So I have actively been around for a long time. > >I have been a member for about 3 years and while I do admire your >accomplishments and titles, I have not been sitting on my hands, I >participate on commitees, am program coordinator, and teach technicals. I >will be teaching a mini at Arlington. While this does not compare to your >accomplishments over 23 years I am proud of what I have done and will do much >more in the future and as a RPT. > >> >> The views I present are a compilation of what I have learned over the >years. >> I agree that there is another point of view, but I believe in what I say. >And >> trust me, I am not alone. > So remember,. when you pick on me, you are pickingon a large number of >> members who feel the same way I do. You might not like it, but that is the >> way it is > >I trust that you believe in what you say, so do I, and by the way I will say >it again I am not alone either. To say that I am picking on you is absurd >when what I am doing is disagreeing with your views. Am I not allowed my >views? If other "RPT's feel like I am picking on them let them tell me >themselves. I am quite willing to listen. > > > Read Carol's latest post. Most of her ideas I have presented to this list > on previous occasions. I strongly feel that the current set up is unfair, >and >> inequitable. I want the PTG to either drop Assocaites from its rank, or go >> the other way, and give Assocaites full rights and priveledges. But to ge >> those rights and priveledges, non RPT's must prive some level of >competence. >> As Cariol suggested, a rebuildere doens't have to show aural tuning skils, >> just as an in home tuner, doesn't ahve to show rebuilding skills. There is >> room in the PTG for both. > >Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think you can just drop us, I am sure someone >will point out if I'm wrong. I believe RPT's do deserve the extra rights >they have and Associates have to earn those rights by passing the test, I do >not want something for nothing. I believe there should be a seperate >classification for rebuilders as that is what I do and I will never tune >pianos for a living, but I am still willing to take the test as it will make >me a better technician. If there is still room for both classifications then >we will have to eliminate this animosity and work together for the good of >the Guild which is ultimately for our own good. > >> >> What I don't like is the attidue some are taking that ALL Associates be >> given equal rights just because they pay dues. There has to be >accountability. As >> I said in a previousl post, when Associates become more than 50% of the >> membership, the PTG will have lost omne of its' priciples of providing >"the >> best possible piano service to the piano community". (ART.1, Sec. B5.) > > As I stated above I don't think giving Assosiates all rights is good for the >PTG. There should be status in being a RPT, status based on ability, not >status for status sake. >How can the level of Associates going over 50% cost the PTG some of its >principles? Isn't providing the education to raise the skills of anyone >providing the best possible service to the piano community? > >David Koelzer >Associate Member >DFW >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:57 +0100 >From: Kristinn Leifsson <istuner@islandia.is> >Subject: Re: last minute job > >Monsieur Terry, > > >Don´t you use a bungee-cord to "tie" the stickers? >I hate it when you have to change a string in an old piano and the bridge >pins for that string just happen to be right behind the keybed so you can´t >reach anything anyway, and the living room doesn´t seem to have any lights >and when it´s in january you don´t even have daylight = long darn time for >a simple thing = makes you feel very amateur > >Kristinn Leifsson, >Too warm for a leather jacket, Reykjavík, Iceland > > > >At 20:02 24.5.2000 PDT, you wrote: >>One of the things I like best about being a floor tuner, are the last minute >>jobs I am asked to perform, like today. (IF you haven't gathered, I'm being >>sarcastic, ha ha.) I was asked to, "make it sound great, it's going out >>tomorrow". The "it" the manager was referring to was a pretty old "Strauss & >>Sons" Spinet. It was grossly out of tune, plate bolts were so loose they >>were barely holding the plate on, the right front leg was just as loose. >>Sticking keys galore, tinny, harsh sound in tenor & treble, and as "tubby" >>as it gets in the bass. sound like a challenge? Oh, did I mention a broken >>string at B6? This was my biggest problem, because I was not looking forward >>to disconnecting and tying up ALL the stickers in order to remove the >>action, so I made the decision to replace the broken string with the action >>IN! Thanks goodness for my Forceps, which I used to hold the wire on the >>hitch pin. Thanks to my thin hands, I was able to carefully guide the wire >>behind the action, and through the bridge pins, up through the pressure bar >>and so on. It was NOT fun, but was do-able. Total time for entire job: 1 >>hour, 45 min. >> >>Terry Peterson >>Los Angeles, CA >>Associate Member, PTG >> >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:16:12 -0600 >From: Roger Jolly <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca> >Subject: RE: Re: Foul Committee > >Hey Phil, > You must be a rookie, every one knows it's Jim and Ron. >If only we all, were able to develop their satirical ability, we would >stand a chance of sitting on this very prestigious panel. But alas we have >to just sit on the side lines, and abide by their edicts. >Poor John, never had a snow balls chance in Florida with his appeal, he >should know better. >But we can get our licks in Arlington, when Jim holds council in the bar. >Jack Daniel's Ky. chapter may slow him down, but I doubt it. > > >At 11:40 AM 25/05/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Dear Sir; >>> As we take all claims of "foul" seriously the foul committee has reviewed >>> your claim. >> >>Who exactly was on this 'committee'? - A committee consists of a 'group' of >>people...my smeller tells me that the good ole boY network is firmly in >place and >>acting accordingly. >> >> >>> "Dear Sir; >>> You have two further chances of your request for prize award, slim and >fat." >>> >>..further evidence of the above statement! >> >>YankeeRook >> >Roger Jolly >Saskatoon, Canada. >306-665-0213 >Fax 652-0505 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:55:12 -0500 >From: Vanderhoofven <dkvander@clandjop.com> >Subject: Lunchtime Puzzler > >I thought Jim's "Midnight Puzzler" was very good! Here is another piano >puzzler to ponder. > >Piano - 1 year old Chickering grand, last tuned several months ago, >recently moved to new home with high humidity > >Problem - loud buzz on only one bass string. The note is in the low tenor, >2 or 3 notes above the Bass/Tenor break. The right string of the pair had >a loud buzzing sound. > >It took about 20 minutes to find the cause of the buzz, and less than 5 >minutes to correct the problem. > >You get a Virtual Star if you correctly identify the problem and solution. > >You get another Virtual Star if you identify which 3 tools I used for the >repair. > >Have fun! > >David Vanderhoofven >Registered Piano Technician >Joplin, MO > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:26:00 EDT >From: JIMRPT@AOL.COM >Subject: Re: Lunchtime Puzzler > >In a message dated 5/25/2000 2:15:25 PM, David V. wrote: > ><<The right string of the pair had >a loud buzzing sound.>> > >David; > Damper wire being hit by string. Probably on the next note down but possibly >on the same note as the "Buzz" > ><<"You get a Virtual Star if you correctly identify the problem and >solution.">> > >Rebend damper wire or move damper guide over to the left. > ><<"You get another Virtual Star if you identify which 3 tools I used for the >repair.">> >1. small screwdriver >2. wire bender or pliers. >3. Large screwdriver. > >Jim Bryant (FL) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:33:10 -0400 >From: "Christopher D. Purdy" <purdy@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> >Subject: Re: Lunchtime Puzzler > >> >>Problem - loud buzz on only one bass string. The note is in the low tenor, >>2 or 3 notes above the Bass/Tenor break. The right string of the pair had >>a loud buzzing sound. > >The most obvious would be the damper wire too close to the string. > >If it was just moved, maybe something is on the bridge at the termination >point. > >High hudidity may have caused the bass bridge to come into contact with the >string at the notch if it was not notched correctly? > >chris > >- -Christopher D. Purdy R.P.T. School of Music Ohio University Athens OH > >- -purdy@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (740) 593-1656 fax# (740) 593-1429 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:57:03 +0100 >From: Kristinn Leifsson <istuner@islandia.is> >Subject: Re: Lunchtime Puzzler > >Hey David, > >#1 >loose bridge pin? > >tuning hammer to take the string off if you preferred to do so, >regular sledge hammer for the big thing you put on the bridge pin so you >wouldn´t destroy it. > >#2 >loose wrapping at the end, jumping up and down the string and buzzing, >spinning like crazy? > >said tuning hammer >something to cut the loose piece of wrapping >something to press the end together again > > > >Kristinn Leifsson, >Reykjavík, Iceland > > > > >At 12:55 25.5.2000 -0500, you wrote: >>I thought Jim's "Midnight Puzzler" was very good! Here is another piano >>puzzler to ponder. >> >>Piano - 1 year old Chickering grand, last tuned several months ago, >>recently moved to new home with high humidity >> >>Problem - loud buzz on only one bass string. The note is in the low tenor, >>2 or 3 notes above the Bass/Tenor break. The right string of the pair had >>a loud buzzing sound. >> >>It took about 20 minutes to find the cause of the buzz, and less than 5 >>minutes to correct the problem. >> >>You get a Virtual Star if you correctly identify the problem and solution. >> >>You get another Virtual Star if you identify which 3 tools I used for the >>repair. >> >>Have fun! >> >>David Vanderhoofven >>Registered Piano Technician >>Joplin, MO >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:16:17 -0700 >From: "Patricia Neely" <pneely@thegrid.net> >Subject: birdcage pianos > >List > >I'm on the look out for English piano I usually ask if it is English , I >didnt know that some German pianos were birdcage pianos too ,seeing I >ussually have to travel much of the time over 50 miles one way and would >not like to get there and find out its a birdcage, What are some of the ways >I can be sure if it is? Thank you Patricia Associate Mem. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:47:24 -0600 >From: Roger Jolly <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca> >Subject: Re: birdcage pianos > >Hi Patricia, > Less than 88 notes, 85 is a good bet in combination with >candle stick holders, only two pedals will increase the odds. I can't >recall ever seeing a bird cage action with 3 pedals. >Any, or all, of the above should raise your suspicions >Roger > > > >At 03:16 PM 25/05/00 -0700, you wrote: >>List >> >>I'm on the look out for English piano I usually ask if it is English , I >>didnt know that some German pianos were birdcage pianos too ,seeing I >>ussually have to travel much of the time over 50 miles one way and would >>not like to get there and find out its a birdcage, What are some of the ways >>I can be sure if it is? Thank you Patricia Associate Mem. >> >Roger Jolly >Saskatoon, Canada. >306-665-0213 >Fax 652-0505 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:53:53 EDT >From: ROBOTUNER@AOL.COM >Subject: Re: Need a Tuner/Technician in Northern Virginia > > Who comes to a convention to tune a piano,espacially a bird cage? > If you want someone who will be around to tune it on a regular basis,I >suggest you contact David T. Pitts RPT in Greenbelt Md. at 301-474-1539.If he >won't do it he will know someone who can. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:48:38 +0100 >From: Kristinn Leifsson <istuner@islandia.is> >Subject: Re: birdcage pianos > >Hi, > >"Oh, your great grandmother bought it used, did she?" >"Is it huge?" >"Does it have paintings on the front?" > >"'Scuse me ma'am could ya open it up on the top? Ok, what do you see? Can >you see a large wooden block above the hammers ("pads" in "laymanspeak"). >Not sure huh, well could you take the front lid a little bit away by >turning the thingees on the side there ma'am? Now, do you see something >that resembles the wires on a BIRDCAGE? You do?" -click- > >Kristinn Leifsson, >Reykjavík, Iceland > > > >At 15:16 25.5.2000 -0700, you wrote: >>List >> >>I'm on the look out for English piano I usually ask if it is English , I >>didnt know that some German pianos were birdcage pianos too ,seeing I >>ussually have to travel much of the time over 50 miles one way and would >>not like to get there and find out its a birdcage, What are some of the ways >>I can be sure if it is? Thank you Patricia Associate Mem. >> >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:02:35 -0400 >From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> >Subject: Aftertouch Question > >OK grand regulation techies, here you go! Two related questions about >checking and aftertouch. > >I just did a full regulation on my Boston GP178 (5' 10" grand). I set blow >dist. @ 1-3/4", let-off as close as possible (about 1/32"), and drop (as >recommended by Steinway) as short as possible - about 1/16" or maybe a tad >more - but less than 1/8". I have my checking up nice and high - about 3/8" >over the treble & up, about 7/16" in tenor, and about 1/2" in bass. Key dip >is about 0.45". > >Out of the piano, all hammers check on even the softest blow (I roughed-up >the tails a tad). When I put the piano in the instrument, I often get a few >hammers that will not check on a light blow. And of course, because I have >the let-off so close and drop so little, the hammer rises up and >blocks/bobbles on the string when pressing the key through aftertouch. > >Question #1: Should ALL hammers ALWAYS go into check, even on a very, very >LIGHT BLOW? > >If answer to Question #1 is yes, then Question #2 is: Why do all hammers >check out of the piano but not when action is in piano (keep in mind, I am >talking about very soft blows). > >If answer to Question #1 is no, then Question #2 is: If it is normal for >hammers to occassionally not check on a very soft blow, when let-off and >drop are real small, is it really feasable to make aftertouch the necessary >10 thousandths of an inch (or there abouts - perhaps even less). Because if >aftertouch is any greater, the hammer will simply rise up into the string >and mute it in a very nasty manner. I like alot of aftertouch - generally in >the ballpark of 50 thousandths or so. I can't do that unless I am sure that >all hammers will check every time a key is struck - even when struck VERY >LIGHTLY. > >Any good input for me? > >Terry Farrell >Piano Tuning & Service >Tampa, Florida >mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:00:10 -0400 >From: staytuned@idirect.com (John Lillico, RPT) >Subject: Re: Re: Midnight Puzzler > >The DeFacto Chair, Jim Bryant (FL) said in part (and this is the part I respond to,) > >>Dear Sir; >> As we take all claims of "foul" seriously the foul committee has reviewed >>your claim. Upon diligent and due deliberation the following facts are >>transparently clear. >> >> 1. No one said that you were wrong... the terminology used was "not correct". > >>Note the foul committee had no little difficulty deciphering the following: >><<"Regardless of and in which ever way, this_was a "fallboard misalignment. >>Worm or missing rubber doo-hickeys are every bit as important as misplaced >>hinges.">> >>2."Alingment" will not be addressed, see response line #1. >>2.a. The Committee is frightfully unknowledgable on the matter of "rubber >>doo-hickeys for Worms" further explanation is requested. As for "missing >>rubber Worm doo-hickeys...it is the committees firm resolution that one >>should be careful of what one does with ones' Worms' doo-hickey with or >>without the rubber portion. > >It looks like this was a case for a "worm". I know now that "alingment" should have been alignment and "worm" was supposed to be worn. But at that time of night, I was misaligned on swamp joose with a somewhat worn doo-hickey....... untimely fingering. Y'all have been critical of my Canadian spelling before but not my misbehavin' fingers. > >You say these rubber buttons had deteriorated to the point of flattening out and allowed the fallboard to set back/down farther toward the key buttons thus allowing said buttons to wedge. > >How come keys stuck occasionally only in the treble, I ask? NAH, I don't think so! James, I think you'd better go back and check that stretcher. You'll find that some Hulk Hogan piano mover dislodged it and you disturbed it as you tuned.... sometime sticking, sometime not. > >As for claims of fowl..... oops, sorry !! That could get us back into the resin/rosin thing. SORRY, TURKEY !! > >John (flying high) Lillico, RPT, >Oakville, Ontario > >"Feathered but not tarred" > >------------------------------ > >End of pianotech-digest V2000 #480 >********************************** > >
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