American vs Canadian efficiency

Meyer Carl cmpiano@home.com
Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:03:38 -0800


Is it any surprise that the media is not reporting the real reason we have
this fiasco is due to the media reporting that Gore won florida before the
polls closed.

Their excuse---didn't realize that Florida has two time zones--duh and they
call Dubya dumb?

Carl Meyer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Conrad Hoffsommer" <hoffsoco@martin.luther.edu>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: American vs Canadian efficiency


> Ricco,
>
> At 05:03 11/30/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>
> Minor corrections, additions interspersed...
>
> >Gore won the popular vote by 300,000 out of 100 million votes cast.  But
in
> >American Democracy the popular vote does not count for the President.
>
> Republicans would say that Hillary/Gore won New York City by far more than
> 300,000, ...the rest of the country went for Bush.
>
> >Instead the states vote in what is called the Electoral College.  Usually
> >the electoral votes come out like the popular vote but not this time.
Each
> >state has an pre-assigned number votes.
>
> Equal to total representation in Congress, i.e. 2 senators plus however
> many representatives.
>
> >   Florida has 25.  Winner of the popular vote in the state takes all.
>
> The electoral college ensures that the smaller states have some input into
> the government. Case in point - Clinton, throughout ALL his campaigning
and
> 8 YEARS of occupying the oval office NEVER set foot in Nebraska!  Not
> enough electoral votes for him to consider it necessary to visit where a
> lot of his food (McDonald's) comes from, I guess.  He'll finally be
> visiting there soon, for some reason.
>
> >   In the Fla. recount  Bush's lead is
> >now down to 500 votes from 1,500.  So with 10,000 votes uncounted, (ones
the
> >machines rejected for whatever reasons)
>
> Those ballots were counted twice by machine, and votes for other offices
> recorded.  Many had no vote for president.  I submit that, had there been
> the choice, "non-of-the-above" would have won by a landslide. I also
submit
> that a Bradley/McCain contest would have given a real choice other than
> TweedleDee and Justplaindumm.
>
> >  and his lead dwindling (hmmm it
> >could just as easily gone the other way)  Bush's best interest is not to
> >take a chance on those ballots but rather preserve the count he likes.
Now
> >the Governor of Fla. who just happens to be Bush's brother agrees and
> >instructed his hand picked secretary of state
>
> Back up here, Kemosabi.  As I understand, the Secretary of State is an
> ELECTED position, so she was "appointed" by the VOTERS of the entire
state,
> not appointed by JEB.
>
> >to hurry up and declare his brother the winner.
>
> Whoa, again!  The Florida state Supreme Court usurped her discression
> (prior to when she could have excercised it) and set it's own later
> deadline for certification.  As she is bound to uphold the election laws
> (her job description), as amended/clarified/whatevered by the court, she
> was not given the discression to re-extend the deadline.  The county which
> is weeping and wailing about missing that DEADLINE by 2 or 3 _hours_ chose
> not to count Thanksgiving day and didn't start again until noon
> Friday.  They missed that deadline by their own actions/inactions and
> volition, NOT by her applying the law(as amended).
>
> Her partisan Republican hands were tied by the partisan Democratic
> court.  Had she given in to partisan Democratic hollerin' and given an
> (another) extension, she probably would have been held in contempt of
court
> for doing the favor.
>
> >  So 500 votes out of several million will get all of
> >Floridia's 25 electoral votes which will give a majority in the Electoral
> >College.
> >     To get the President elected by direct popular vote would require an
> >ammendment to the Constitution. ---ric  (the "c" stands for
consititutional
> >guarantees)
>
> The whole election will be a moot point, anyway.  Both houses are pretty
> evenly divided, and now extremely polarized by this post-election
campaign.
> Whoever wins will never be able to lead a gridlocked congress.
>
>
> Conrad,
>
who-now-wonders-if-his-military-absentee-votes-in-'68-and-'72-ever-counted.
>
> Note: Santa Claus only makes his list and checks it twice. (2 recounts)
>
>
>
>
> Conrad Hoffsommer - mailto:hoffsoco@luther.edu
> *They call television a medium. That's because it is neither rare nor well
> done.
> *98% of the population is asleep. The other 2% are staring around in
> complete amazement, abject terror, or both.
>



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