Strings & Things Fw: $450.00 Bass strings???????

Farrell mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:07:48 -0500


Hi Ed. I think this is what you were looking for.

Terry Farrell
Piano Tuning & Service
Tampa, Florida
mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com

>List,

>A few weeks ago someone posted the different string companies along with
the
>ratings and approximate prices.
>Having misplaced my printed copy would that person/persons please repost.
>It's always good to be aware of new sources.

>Thanks,

>Ed Mashburn,RPT
>Piano services of Florida,Inc.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@hotmail.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: $450.00 Bass strings???????


> Dale:
>
> Sanderson strings run about $8.00 per string.  There is an additional
> $100.00 charge to rescale the entire piano if you want.  It is not always
> necessary to rescale if you are matching the old set.  Thus, the total
price
> will vary from piano to piano.  I have ordered only one set so far for an
> old Chickering which I had them rescale since the piano was originally
> scaled for A435.  There were significant changes made from the original
> scaling throughout.  I had no problems with the quality of the bass
strings.
>
> David Love
>
> David Love
>
>
> >From: "Erwinpiano" <Erwinpiano@email.msn.com>
> >Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> >Subject: $450.00 Bass strings???????
> >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:24:09 -0800
> >
> >   Terry
> >
> >      So glad you (I) opened  this can o worms in regards to bass string
> >quality and prices.  I realize this is a different thread than the "one
> >scale for M&H AA" but that ones well worn and needs possible retiring.
> >
> >      In my response to Bill Ballard he was expressing frustration with
> >incorrectly made strings,winding lengths,e.t.c. My statement to him was
> >that
> >there was only $50 difference between  the low and high quality bass strg
> >sets/makers and that if you have even one glitch or other unhappy exp.
with
> >the low end set it becomes a VERY expensive LOW end set.(It' Possible to
> >have same problems with some high end sets)   Your response was that the
> >Sanderson's sets of strings run $450.00.
> >U.S.  ( YIKES!!!!!!!!! my response).  Can we talk.
> >
> >       The following commentary is strictly my opinion(which I'm fond
of )
> >and one formed from many hours of grinding my teeth and pounding on the
> >table in frustration over bass string HASSLES.
> >
> >
> >  Ari Isaac -bass strings                         $225.00  unusual ideas
> >bout
> >scaling
> >  Steinway- supplied MAPES strings      $ Don't know much about it
> >  Schaff -strings as you stated run appox. $180.00 scale help unknown
> >  Mapes- roughly the same                     $180.00good luck with
rescale
> >help
> >  G.C. strings -Rescaling  part of price   $200.00-$240.00 depending on
> >no.strgs.
> >  Sanderson -Rescaling part of the price $450.00 Give or take/options
> >  Others- no experience
> >
> >      Having tried many sets of most all but the Sanderson's strings I
can
> >say that
> >there are huge differences. I can also say that every bass string maker
has
> >goofs blunders and anomaly's proving to me that bass string making is not
> >an exact science but a practice of an art that is limited by quality of
> >materials, design and human skill/error. As a rebuilder seeking superior
> >results(aren't we all)
> >and  efficiency I can't long afford to work with strings that are 1. Poor
> >sounding or unpredictable. 2. Frequently giving problems serious enough
to
> >replace one or two or more strings after the initial installation.3.  Or
> >having false
> >beats develop over time on a routine basis.
> >    Having to go back and redo a string or a set makes that brand the
very
> >most expensive strings money and frustration can buy.  I put a very high
> >premium on the value of my time, the end tonal result and my sanity!
String
> >replacement after the fact is MADDENING. (I THINK THAT'S CLEAR)
> >     That being said some people are more adept at winding/producing
> >strings
> >and understand the principles more clearly and care about the end results
> >more intensely.  For that I'm grateful and I don't have to design scales
or
> >wrap the string. I have other things I like to do!!!
> >    Now just because a set of bass strings is more spensive doesn't mean
> >it's
> >better although it could if you'll follow my logic.  I.E. The Isaac
string
> >I
> >used lot of .  When they were right they were really good but the
> >aggravation of continual falsebeats,(which ment reordering, replacing and
> >delivery schedules disrupted and sometimes very expensive follow up
service
> >calls to far away locations) inconsistent wraps and poor customer service
> >finally got the best of me. A VERY Expensive string!!I hope he has
> >rectified
> >his difficulties and is doing well but I will not use them again. For
those
> >of you wondering ,I used dozens of sets of the above, so I think I gave
it
> >a
> >fair shot.
> >
> >    ON THE OTHER HAND.
> >
> >     Over the last 5yrs. I've used  at least 50 sets of  THE G.C. STRING
> >CO.
> >,as are many rebuilders dealing high end pianos, and have been ecstatic
1.
> >With tone. It's clean well balanced easy to tune with only an occasional
> >false beat. The wraps are very consistently within 1/2" of the
> >terminus.(VERY STEINWAY SOUNDING)  Also DANNY IS VERY FUSSY about results
> >and his ability to analyze scale design flaws.  In fact  scale analysis
and
> >design is just part of the job.   If when I have questions about a scale
> >that looks odd, like the M&H ? floating on the list or whatever ,I know
> >he's
> >not going to duplicate some freak of engineering just because it was
> >ORIGINAL.  Soooo with all due respect to the Sanderson's( the S.A.T.
> >CHANGED
> >MY LIFE ) I ask an honest partially uniformed question.  Why should I pay
> >an
> >extra one to two hundred dollars to get what I'm already getting???????
> >
> >    Considering all this which set of bass strings I'm I getting the most
> >booing for my buck?
> >     I consider theG.C.product, personal service and hassle free aspect
of
> >this supplier an incredible labor saver and hey since I'm not replacing
> >faulty strings and pounding on the table in frustration I even have extra
> >days to go fishing!!!!!!
> >   I think I'll ask Danny to go fishing
> >
> >  NO LONGER STRUNG OUT(OR ALONG) IN MODESTO.
> >   Sincerely, Respectfully submitted
> >  Dale Erwin
> >
> >
> Subject: Re: $450.00 Bass strings???????


> Hi Tom
>
>    Thanks for the nice comments on my BB.  Also appreciate info and
feedback
> on the Sanderson( acu-strings)Strings.  Since Terry Farrell intiated this
> topic I've been thinking about the price differences between the G.C.
> strings & the acu-strings.
>     I dug out my G.C. price list for a string cost comparison between the
> two makers.  Danny at G.C. has a complete price list available upon
request.
> He has a progressive list as opposed to one price fits all  no matter what
> length. Really it makes sense to me that longer strings use more copper
than
> the short ones
>
>  I.E.The Sanderson( acu-strings) are $8.00 per string.   Where as Steinway
> models S thru A-3 onthe G.C. list are $4.75 to$5.48 per string which is a
> considerable difference.  For example a Steinway Model L or O has 42
> strings.  The Brand S. string set would be $336.00. The brand G.C. set is
> $214.00.  The3 bridgeA has 57 strings(has 2 bi's and 3 tri's in tenor) The
> comparison there is  brand S. at $506.00 (Yikes) and theG.C. at $270.00.
> The place the two makers get closer in price is only at the Model D sets.
> Once again Brand S. at $312.00 and G.C. at $284.70 and $296.38.  The later
> price is for the set with double wrapped mono chords and I highly
recommend
> it on all pianos(The sound is just cleaner) I honestly don't know why
> Steinway didn't do that forever espeially onther shorter pianos.
>    Any way, over all the Sanderson string is considerably more expensive
> overall( an average of roughly $125.00) plus the scaling if needed. ARE
THEY
> REALLY WORTH  IT.  I guess I here some of you are saying yes and as you
> concurred Tom, if you have excellant sound and hassle free service there
not
> that much more. As for me I'm yet unconvinced. Perhaps I'll be persuaded.
To
> each there own. But Hey ain't it grand to get your strings from piano
techs.
> as both makers are!
>
>       Just food for thought. Do you all mark up your parts prices or are
we
> just performing charitable act  of rebuilding skills.I.E. OH Dear Mr./Mrs,
> client I've spent much of my life learning about all these wonderful
piano
> parts.  I have THOUSANDS OF HRS. invested so I can give you my reams of
> wisdom for free.
>     I don't mark them up 100% like so many places but I do want to cover
my
> costs.  Your thoughts are welcome.  AAhhhhh but maybe I feel a new thread
> coming into the fabric of the list.
>
>  Respectfully submitted
>   Dale Erwin
>



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