SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner

[David Ilvedson]

Mr. Love, will "Mr. Ilvedson" see you down at Stanford this week?

David I.


>I think that regardless of how literally one takes Mr. Ilvedson's
>statement 
>about "never" (I don't), he makes a good point.  I think that in the 
>learning process it is, for most, too easy to allow the device to do the 
>listening for you.  I think everyone would agree that the goal at the
>micro 
>level is to learn to discern aurally small differences in beat variations,

>and at the macro level to hear the tuning as a whole and how similar types

>of chords in different keys relate in quality and character (at least in 
>ET).  Tuning is art as well as science.  Thus, I think the focus of
>learning 
>must be aural first.  The visual should serve to confirm.  Judgement calls

>are frequent in tuning and your ears should have the confidence to
>override 
>what your eyes tell you if it is called for.  That being said, I think the

>ETD's can be useful for confirming what you are hearing, can get you in
>the 
>ball park quickly, take some of the fatigue out of the process, and give
>you 
>a second opinion when you are not sure what your ears are telling you. 
>Both 
>machines are good.  The SAT is smaller and lighter and the battery last 
>longer.  The CT has other computer features.  Neither one lets you turn
>off 
>your ears.  If I were learning all over again, I would buy a machine, find
>a 
>skilled tuner/tech who can teach to work with on a periodic basis (pay 
>them), only use the machine while you are learning to check and confirm
>not 
>only your aural judgement but your stability, and practice practice 
>practice.
>
>
>David Love
>
>
>>From: BobDavis88@AOL.COM
>>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
>>To: pianotech@ptg.org
>>Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner
>>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:01:57 EST
>>
>>Don Rose writes:
>>
>> > David Ilvedson wrote:
>>  >    If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it
no
>> >  > matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
>>
>>Having watched several people, inclucing my wife, learn aural tuning in 
>>what
>>I considered a VERY good time by using an ETD, I also disagree. I admit 
>>that
>>none of them lacked self-discipline - they used it as a feedback
>instrument
>>rather than a crutch. Anyone who wants to blame the device for their own
>>improper use of it has that right, but at the sacrifice of a good aid to
>>speed and quality.
>>
>>Bob Davis
>
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