Fw: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner

[Erwinpiano]

David

   wow. Your post brings up a problem  that I've been aware of for some
time(years)  I think there is a real shortage of opportunities to
mentor/apprentice to nail down aural tuning skills. I feel spoiled in
retrospect to have had two excellent tuners(My Dad and Mr. Dick Hamlett)
that were available and willing to tutor.  It occurs to me that somehow the
aural tuners and those seeking aural skills help devise a resource pool to
pass along what others passed along to us(me).  Otherwise there will be a
slow decline in excellent aural skilled tuners that pianist can depend on.
Yeah,Yeah we are all soooo busy but I'm training one and also have two sons
who may choose this.  The main ingredients to this being successful are
time,patience and a teachable,willing and studious student. Without those 3
don't begin.
     I enjoyed Phil Bondis post (go Phil) and his self effacing sharing of
his learning curve. I could really relate!
    As AN aural tuner for the first 11 years of my career I can honestly say
that incorporating the S.A.T. into my life not only improved my speed but
DRAMATICALLY improve my hammer technique which was already producing stable
tunings.  It definitely has its place as a teaching aid. The s.a.t. also
allowed me to tune more pianos,less fatigue but most of all it was a friend
that made tuning fun and saved my hearing for the fine stuff  Love that
pitch raise calculator..
   Lastly as a tuning examiner(no not official) but have given  many yrs. of
test I have seen so many fail the first time (as you have David)and become
discouraged.  My suggestion to local chapters is to take time to
prepare/mentor and prescreen applicants so they are given a fighting chance
of success.
  Sincerely

 Dale Erwin

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner


> Don,
>
> Well of course you do...;-]
>
> I am going from my experience in the Bay Area with new tuners and their
> lack of ability to pass the PTG tuning test if they go to the ETD before
> learning the aural skills.  The fact is they can tune well enough to make
a
> living with the ETD and most don't use it to learn aural tuning.  They say
> "why bother?".  Of course the ETD could be a great learning tool but I
> don't think that's happening.  I'm Secretary/Treasurer for the Northern
> California PTG Exam Board.  We are averaging about 1 tuning test a year.
> Many more than that are entering the field here and our chapter continues
> to grow.  Often it is lack of confidence in their aural skills that stops
> tuners from upgrading...IMHO
>
> David I.
>
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>
> On 3/24/01 at 4:28 PM Don Rose wrote:
>
> >Hi David,
> >
> >With respect, I disagree totally.
> >
> >David Ilvedson wrote:
> >>
> >  If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no
> >> matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T.
> >
> >Tuner for the Saskatchewan Centre of the Arts
> >
> >drose@dlcwest.com
> >http://donrose.xoasis.com/
> >
> >3004 Grant Rd.
> >REGINA, SK
> >S4S 5G7
> >306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner
>
>
>