Hey Dale, The PTG tuning test is not a problem for an aural tuner. Time and time again I see fork tuners pass the test with flying colors. Paul Larudee and Carman Gentille are two recent RPT's who passed the test easily. ETD tuners with few aural skills have a real problem! David I. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/25/01 at 12:02 PM Erwinpiano wrote: >David > > wow. Your post brings up a problem that I've been aware of for some >time(years) I think there is a real shortage of opportunities to >mentor/apprentice to nail down aural tuning skills. I feel spoiled in >retrospect to have had two excellent tuners(My Dad and Mr. Dick Hamlett) >that were available and willing to tutor. It occurs to me that somehow the >aural tuners and those seeking aural skills help devise a resource pool to >pass along what others passed along to us(me). Otherwise there will be a >slow decline in excellent aural skilled tuners that pianist can depend on. >Yeah,Yeah we are all soooo busy but I'm training one and also have two sons >who may choose this. The main ingredients to this being successful are >time,patience and a teachable,willing and studious student. Without those 3 >don't begin. > I enjoyed Phil Bondis post (go Phil) and his self effacing sharing of >his learning curve. I could really relate! > As AN aural tuner for the first 11 years of my career I can honestly >say >that incorporating the S.A.T. into my life not only improved my speed but >DRAMATICALLY improve my hammer technique which was already producing stable >tunings. It definitely has its place as a teaching aid. The s.a.t. also >allowed me to tune more pianos,less fatigue but most of all it was a friend >that made tuning fun and saved my hearing for the fine stuff Love that >pitch raise calculator.. > Lastly as a tuning examiner(no not official) but have given many yrs. >of >test I have seen so many fail the first time (as you have David)and become >discouraged. My suggestion to local chapters is to take time to >prepare/mentor and prescreen applicants so they are given a fighting chance >of success. > Sincerely > > Dale Erwin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net> >To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:25 PM >Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner > > >> Don, >> >> Well of course you do...;-] >> >> I am going from my experience in the Bay Area with new tuners and their >> lack of ability to pass the PTG tuning test if they go to the ETD before >> learning the aural skills. The fact is they can tune well enough to make >a >> living with the ETD and most don't use it to learn aural tuning. They >say >> "why bother?". Of course the ETD could be a great learning tool but I >> don't think that's happening. I'm Secretary/Treasurer for the Northern >> California PTG Exam Board. We are averaging about 1 tuning test a year. >> Many more than that are entering the field here and our chapter continues >> to grow. Often it is lack of confidence in their aural skills that stops >> tuners from upgrading...IMHO >> >> David I. >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 3/24/01 at 4:28 PM Don Rose wrote: >> >> >Hi David, >> > >> >With respect, I disagree totally. >> > >> >David Ilvedson wrote: >> >> >> > If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no >> >> matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Regards, >> >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. >> > >> >Tuner for the Saskatchewan Centre of the Arts >> > >> >drose@dlcwest.com >> >http://donrose.xoasis.com/ >> > >> >3004 Grant Rd. >> >REGINA, SK >> >S4S 5G7 >> >306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner >> >> >>
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