Fw: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner

David Ilvedson ilvey@jps.net
Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:35:03 -0800


Hey Dale,

The PTG tuning test is not a problem for an aural tuner.  Time and time
again I see fork tuners pass the test with flying colors.  Paul Larudee and
Carman Gentille are two recent RPT's who passed the test easily.  ETD
tuners with few aural skills have a real problem!

David I.

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On 3/25/01 at 12:02 PM Erwinpiano wrote:

>David
>
>   wow. Your post brings up a problem  that I've been aware of for some
>time(years)  I think there is a real shortage of opportunities to
>mentor/apprentice to nail down aural tuning skills. I feel spoiled in
>retrospect to have had two excellent tuners(My Dad and Mr. Dick Hamlett)
>that were available and willing to tutor.  It occurs to me that somehow
the
>aural tuners and those seeking aural skills help devise a resource pool to
>pass along what others passed along to us(me).  Otherwise there will be a
>slow decline in excellent aural skilled tuners that pianist can depend on.
>Yeah,Yeah we are all soooo busy but I'm training one and also have two
sons
>who may choose this.  The main ingredients to this being successful are
>time,patience and a teachable,willing and studious student. Without those
3
>don't begin.
>     I enjoyed Phil Bondis post (go Phil) and his self effacing sharing of
>his learning curve. I could really relate!
>    As AN aural tuner for the first 11 years of my career I can honestly
>say
>that incorporating the S.A.T. into my life not only improved my speed but
>DRAMATICALLY improve my hammer technique which was already producing
stable
>tunings.  It definitely has its place as a teaching aid. The s.a.t. also
>allowed me to tune more pianos,less fatigue but most of all it was a
friend
>that made tuning fun and saved my hearing for the fine stuff  Love that
>pitch raise calculator..
>   Lastly as a tuning examiner(no not official) but have given  many yrs.
>of
>test I have seen so many fail the first time (as you have David)and become
>discouraged.  My suggestion to local chapters is to take time to
>prepare/mentor and prescreen applicants so they are given a fighting
chance
>of success.
>  Sincerely
>
> Dale Erwin
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
>To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:25 PM
>Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner
>
>
>> Don,
>>
>> Well of course you do...;-]
>>
>> I am going from my experience in the Bay Area with new tuners and their
>> lack of ability to pass the PTG tuning test if they go to the ETD before
>> learning the aural skills.  The fact is they can tune well enough to
make
>a
>> living with the ETD and most don't use it to learn aural tuning.  They
>say
>> "why bother?".  Of course the ETD could be a great learning tool but I
>> don't think that's happening.  I'm Secretary/Treasurer for the Northern
>> California PTG Exam Board.  We are averaging about 1 tuning test a year.
>> Many more than that are entering the field here and our chapter
continues
>> to grow.  Often it is lack of confidence in their aural skills that
stops
>> tuners from upgrading...IMHO
>>
>> David I.
>>
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>> On 3/24/01 at 4:28 PM Don Rose wrote:
>>
>> >Hi David,
>> >
>> >With respect, I disagree totally.
>> >
>> >David Ilvedson wrote:
>> >>
>> >  If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no
>> >> matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T.
>> >
>> >Tuner for the Saskatchewan Centre of the Arts
>> >
>> >drose@dlcwest.com
>> >http://donrose.xoasis.com/
>> >
>> >3004 Grant Rd.
>> >REGINA, SK
>> >S4S 5G7
>> >306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner
>>
>>
>>





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