Well said, but it must be pointed out that the PT-100II is light years advanced from the PT4. The motto of the Baloney & Hot Dog industry is: "If it moves, it's meat." Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> To: <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: E.T.D. > Do you saute the baloney first? Is it a cream sauce or tomatoee...? Onions?...;-] > > My first ETD was a Yamaha PT4. Big, heavy, AC cord...nice cathode ray screen with easy to read green blocks moving left or right. I used it to approximate a temperment, making changes as necessary (often) and approximating the stretch up and down with adjustments with my ear...I tuned for many concert artists with that machine/ear and had no problems...what this says to me, is you can get away with a lot more than you'd think! The SAT II & III have done me well. I wouldn't mind getting into the PocketPC/RCT at some point though... > > David I. > > > > ----- Original message ----------------------------------------> > From: "Alan R. Barnard" <mathstar@salemnet.com> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Received: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:48:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: E.T.D. > > >At the risk of repeating myself: > > >Baloney Sauce. > > >I bought the Yamaha (used on eBay) when I first got into the biz because it > >was all I could afford. > > >Here is the secret for getting pretty nice tunings with the PT100: Learn to > >tune the bass by ear right off. <<You are right about the bass, Devlon>> The > >Yamaha won't stretch most pianos enough going down. If you set the scale to > >the best approximation of the Yamaha piano sizes, however, you WILL get a > >decent temperament and treble on most pianos. The SAT would be much more > >flexible and better, all-around. But if all you can afford is the PT-100 go > >forth and tune--and use it to help you tune without it! > > >BTW I tune for three conservatory trained, outstanding pianists. Their > >pianos are: Steinway S, Samick, and Chickering grands. All are very pleased > >with their tunings and, since I had to start this way, I tune them all with > >the Yamaha. BUT, I tune down from the temperament by ear, always, and I > >check my temperament by ear, always (4ths, 5ths, running 3rds and 6ths, > >etc.), I test up and down with 3rd-10th-17ths, always, and usually the 5ths. > >Only rarely do I change a temperament or treble note from the ETD and when I > >do, it is usually over a break or some other point where "somthin' ain't > >right" so inharmonicity is compensated for. This has been my $0.02 > > >Alan R. Barnard > >Salem, MO > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <BSHARPTUNE@AOL.COM> > >To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > >Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:01 AM > >Subject: Re: E.T.D. > > > >> Brian, I have owned a PT-100 for a long time. I bought one before I > >really > >> understood inharmonicity and how to tune a piano. The PT-100 is almost > >> useless as an ETD. It has pitch curves that only match 6 Yamaha pianos > >which > >> I think are all slightly narrow on the bass side. It's only use now is to > >> chip pianos. > >> > >> Devlon > >
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