[ctuner] Brahms & Well Temperament

[Richard Moody]

> > the aural tunings will give much more musical pleasure,
> >especially the ET of Claude Montal of 1836.     ---rm
>
> Please tell me what that is, Ric.....David A.

Sometimes writing is like dystocia and when a less than fully
developed piece gets delivered prematurely (by accident) to the
list it can lead to dysthymia.  To answer your question let me
show what I really said, and then what I really meant.


---ric rote ...................................
    When you tune by ear according to the
historical directions (without relaying on modern tests) you may
be surprised at how different each
tuning is, but yet is still musically viable and pleasant even.
   The modern machines with theoretical offsets will
give a consistent temperament, but compare that with results from
the original directions that guided the ear.  I think you will
find, the aural tunings will give much more musical pleasure,
especially the ET of Claude Montal of 1836.     ---rm
..................................................................
.

I meant to say, ..."I think you will find the aural tunings will
give much more tuning and musical pleasure especially the ET
directions of Claude Montal of 1836"

In other words, try it, you may like it.  Below are the condensed
directions without tests Montal gives.  This shows how a quick go
through followed by how ever much of the counter partition you
need establishes a musical ET. I hope you will be amazed as I am
at how this comes out .  If you want to get even closer, fairly
complete instructions are in the Nov. Journal or the exact
translation from me.   remoody@midstatesd.net    See end of post
for modern instructions and tests.  Always make sure 5ths are
narrow but not so much that you can hear them beat. ---rm

MONTAL    1836

Partition: From source tune A4, then.
A4--D4--G3--G4--C4--F3--F4--Bb3--BBB--Eb4--Ab3--Ab4

Ab4/G#4--C#4--F#3--F#4--B3--B4--E4--compare to A3

Counter Partition
Verify A4--E4--A3, then E4--B4--B3--F#4--F#3--C#4--G#4--G#3--D#4

D#4/Eb4--Bb4--Bb3--F4--F3--C4--G4--G3--D4--A4.

The more times you tune according to the above directions the less
going through the counter partition you need.  You should not hear
a 5th beating , rather the "tonality" of an ET  5th.  Make sure
your 5th  is indeed flat!


MONTAL WITH MODERN TESTS.   From Source tune A4.  Then...

A4--A3--E4:   A4--D4--G3--G4--C4      (test C4--E4)

C4--F3--F4       .......................                (test
F4--A4 and F3--A3)

F4--Bb3      ......................................
(Bb3--D4)

Bb3--Bb4    .....................................         (test
Bb4--F4  4th)

Bb4--Eb4      ...............................           (test
Eb4--G4)

Eb4--Ab3  ...............................               (test
Ab3--C4)

Ab3--Ab4/G#4 .........................           (test E4--G#4)

G#4--C#4 ............................           (test A3--C#4)

C#4--F#3 .........................            (test F#3--Bb3)

F#3--F#4 ......................               (test D4--F#3)

F#4--B3--E4--B4.