Verituner: more opinions

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Hi Gevaert Pierre,

My name is André Oorebeek and I live in Amsterdam.
I have worked with the Verituner for almost one year now. It is the very
best machine and it has changed my professional life because it is the first
machine reading overtones of all keys and shuffling all this data into a
most perfect tuning.
And that means a concert tuning within 45 minutes.
For more info go to :

http://www.veritune.com/

André Oorebeek

friendly greetings
from

Antares,

Amsterdam, Holland

"where music is, no harm can be"

visit my website at :  http://www.concertpianoservice.nl/


> From: "Gevaert Pierre" <pierre.gevaert@belgacom.net>
> Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:27:19 +0100
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: Verituner:  more opinions
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a tuner - technician in Belgium and since a few weeks,  I
> discoverd the mail list of PTG . Nice!
> Apparently, lots of tuners are verry happy with the VT Tuner so my question is
> : where is it possible to purchase one and
> what does it cost? Is it also possible to find more technical information?
> Here I never heared about those machines.
> 
> Thanks----- Original Message -----
> From: Isaac OLEG SIMANOT
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Verituner: more opinions
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Thanks for your comments. I am very happy to hear that you have a such good
> experiment with your VT100.
> 
> Today I had to prepare and tune 3 Steinway D together for a jazz improvisation
> performance, and the tunings sounds amazing . Each piano with his own sound
> and personality, but a clearness and homogeneity that could not be matched by
> other methods (in a little time)
> 
> What I appreciate the most using this wonderful machine is that it let me work
> naturally and don't drive my ears in a pre-defined curve or partial
> progression.
> It follows the piano, as we all do when tuning (but the death tuners who tune
> by A0 or A88 !)
> 
> I have a comment for you, you said that you can start with any note, but the
> A4 is of great importance and is treated differently from the other notes (and
> gives the pitch you know !) , as Dave Carpenter have write many times, it is
> very important to begin with that note and obtain a complete iH reading on it
> before tuning any other.
> 
> Welcome the happy vt100 users family !
> 
> Regards
> 
> Isaac
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part de
> David Love
> Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2002 07:13
> À : Pianotech
> Objet : Verituner: more opinions
> 
> 
> I purchased the Verituner recently and have used it now for about a dozen
> tunings.  I cannot compare it to the RCT or Tunelab, as I never used them, but
> I will say that the VT does a marvelous job when compared to the SAT III.
> It's ability to measure (or premeasure) any or all notes and up to eight
> partials of each note in order to calculate an inharmonicity curve resolves
> many of the complaints I had about the SAT III which, unless monitored very
> closely, sometimes delivered a less than satisfactory tuning to my ear.
> Though I had learned to work with the SAT III very effectively by use of the
> DOB, two page memory for one piano, and direct interval tuning, I find the VT
> to be much easier with more predictable results.
> 
> The complaints listed earlier I find largely unwarranted.  One suggestion was
> that the VT required a two pass tuning.  That is not true.  You can premeasure
> any sequence of notes ( though it is suggested you always start with A4)
> including notes in troublesome transition areas and the machine will use the
> data to create a curve with smooth transitions.  Or, as I believe Ron Koval
> mentioned, you can measure the whole piano before you start tuning.  Not
> necessary, but It takes about 5 minutes.
> 
> Another complaint was about the pitch raise function, or coarse tuning mode as
> it is called.  The coarse tuning system requires lining up two arrows rather
> than stopping a spinner and is a bit awkward at first.  When used as a genuine
> first pass rough pitch raise, it does a perfectly adequate job.  Moreover, you
> can set up the display with three different levels of overpull which can
> appear simultaneously on the screen.  As you progress through the scale and
> want to change the degree of overpull depending on the section of the piano,
> you can just aim for the appropriate indicator.  These settings are preset to
> 10/30/36 % overpull but can be adjusted to your own preference.  I set mine at
> 15/30/36 which seems to work a little better for me.  I pulled a small Yamaha
> today which ranged from 30c flat in the bass to 80c flat in the treble.  One
> rough pass, one fine tuning and the fine tuning required very small
> adjustments.  
> 
> The display itself is perfectly readable and gives a lot of data.  The large
> flat or sharp sign that appears if the spinner is moving too fast to see I
> found helpful.  
> 
> You can adjust the stretch "style" from clean (narrow) to expanded as with the
> SAT III DOB, but unlike the SAT III, changing the stretch style does not
> preclude the machine using the inharmonicity readings to calculate an
> acceptable curve.  My experience with the DOB is that you can actually put the
> piano a bit out of tune by selecting an inappropriate amount of stretch.  I
> have not experimented fully with the "style" settings in the VT, but my
> impression is that the machine seeks to find a balance between style
> selections and what the piano dictates.  I think that is a better system.
> 
> The 300 page memory can be upgraded to 1000 pages for an additional cost (as
> Paul L mentioned).  There are presently a few glitches that are being worked
> out with the upgraded memory, but I wonder just how important the extra memory
> is.  If you believe that inharmonicity changes with weather, then you would
> want to recalculate at each tuning anyway.  If you don't, then since you can
> premeasure and a full 2 pass tuning is not required to get excellent results,
> I don't consider it critical.
> 
> It comes fully loaded with a variety of HT's and as difficult as it is to
> admit, I actually like the way it tunes ET.
> 
> The simple fact that it measures multiple partials (rather than one targeted
> partial) on a given note simultaneously and uses that data collectively and
> progressively to project a curve, puts it above any of the machines that I'm
> familiar with.  There are other features that I haven't mentioned, but I think
> it is truly state of the art.
> 
> David Love
>