Verituner Users

[Greg Newell]

Isaac,
    Thank you for your opinions. I still have my doubts and would love to see
things quantified to support all the notions of granduer that we keep hearing
from Veritune's supporters. I respect your opinion as a good tuner with a good
ear. Still, like raising the level of the sharps tends to make the player think
of the keys weight as heavier so too can buying a new machine make a tuner think
that he is getting better results. Don't be too sensitive about this comparison,
I'm only illustrating the point that I would like to see things quantified in
such a way as to remove all doubt. If one were to measure the same partials the
other programs use after a Veritune tuning would that not give a comparison to
the partials measured by the other programs? I'm talking an after tuning
measurement here not a before tuning measurement when the Veritune has not had a
chance make it's tweaks and adjustments to the tuning curve along the way.
Perhaps each other program could then measure the final result from it's sample
notes and compute a tuning and then compare how far off the same partials are
for each note. Does this sound like a fair test?

Greg

Isaac OLEG SIMANOT wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Sorry if I was misunderstood.
> I basically say that any good tuner can have help with a machine, and
> produce beautiful tunings.
>
> VT 100 helps to produce tunings with less tweaking and far better
> homogeneity and beauty.
>
> The average customers will not notice that, but I, as a tuner, like to have
> this result on a regular basis.
>
> For the average customer too, a beautifully tuned piano is far easier to
> play, don't know why but it is.
>
> I said too that no comparison is possible between a real time analysis, by
> ear/brain or electronic, and results based on assumptions,.
>
> I personally had the impression that tuning while looking at one partial
> tend to change the way I was hearing, focusing on that partial more than
> needed. I've hear very perfect tunings made on a 3 partial curve that where
> sounding in perpetual expansion, as if no real foundation exists, only a
> temperament all along the piano. Organ player call that "Swiss tunings"
> (because of the clocks)
>
> With the VT100 you have a maximum focus on partial matching, including all
> partials together, and beats are computed (estimated), in the model, it is a
> more musical approach my opinion.
>
> Regards.
>
> Isaac OLEG
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > de Greg Newell
> > Envoye : jeudi 21 fevrier 2002 23:27
> > A : pianotech@ptg.org
> > Objet : Re: Verituner Users
> >
> >
> > Isaac,
> >     I'm sorry. I'm afraid that I don't follow your thoughts here.
> > Could you
> > possibly restate your ideas? Something lost in the translation perhaps.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > Isaac OLEG SIMANOT wrote:
> >
> > > Stop misinformation please.
> > >
> > > Not any system without real time spectrum analysis can get the
> > same result.
> > >
> > > The only difference is in the tuner ability to produce
> > beautiful tunings,
> > > with one help or another.
> > >
> > > Then , who is able to hear that beauty ?
> > >
> > > Isaac OLEG
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org
> [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > > de Greg Newell
> > > Envoye : jeudi 21 fevrier 2002 22:00
> > > A : pianotech@ptg.org
> > > Objet : Re: Verituner Users
> > >
> > >
> > > List,
> > >     I find it interesting that folks are willing to consider such
> > > an expensive stand alone tool when TuneLab is available at such
> > > an extremely reasonable cost.
> > > Even with the cost of a laptop which does so much more than the
> > > "one trick pony" the price is still very comparable. If one goes
> > > for the pocket PC Tunelab can't
> > > be beat. Did everyone miss Dr. Jim's comparison when it was
> > > declared that there wasn't much of a difference in the result
> > > between SAT, Veritune and TuneLab?
> > > Someone please help me understand the rational of spending more
> > > money being good.
> > > respectfully,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > Farrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > For those using the Verituner: How reliable are they. How
> > > durable are they. What kind of turn-around time have you
> > > experienced from the manufacturer. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Terry Farrell
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Newell
> > > mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Greg Newell
> mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net

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