Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts

[David Love]

By profile I meant the height of the wippen heel.  Sometimes it drives the
capstans too low.  I didn't know that about Abel shanks.

David Love


----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: May 12, 2002 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts


> Hello David,
>
> Been told that Abel shanks are Japan made. Used it once, and did not
> appreciate them a lot (profile not very good and strange wood)
>
> The profile on Renner parts (I believe you talk about the olive & whippen
> flange) seems to work fine for me, anyway for replacement parts they are
as
> good as I expect them.
> Are you speaking of the flat part in the profile ground vs. rounded shape
on
> originals. This seems to change nothing in papering, actually, if we don't
> paper all along.
>
> Even when stressed, the profile don't move, so I am expecting it to work
> well in time (not warping, etc)
> But may be you don't have the same as mine, I will take a picture of some
if
> someone wish, could post it privately (whippen, shanks & hammers)
>
> The profile on the Renner hammers sold by Renner is not very suitable for
> Steinway in my HO, the felt is not shaped in a way we can obtain the
correct
> shape with filing (for German type S&S). Some better suitable parts can be
> available on inquiry, but this should be a little expensive to send them
to
> you may be.
>
> Regards.
>
> Isaac OLEG
> .
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> > de David Love
> > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 08:21
> > À : pianotech@ptg.org
> > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> >
> >
> > Renner parts on Steinways sometimes work fine, but not always.
Sometimes
> > the profile is wrong and the convergence line isn't correct.  The
Steinway
> > wippens and shanks that I've seen recently  have been fine, though in
the
> > past they had lots of problems with pinning and warping.  I still use
> > Steinway hammers frequently and though they need lacquering to
> > build tone, I
> > like what you get from them.  Renner blues are a good hammer, but I
don't
> > really care for the tone on a Steinway.  Ronsen's would be my next
choice.
> > I also have had good success with Abel shanks, the jury is still
> > out on the
> > wippens.  We are fortunate that with Steinway there are many choices of
> > manufacturers for parts.
> >
> > David Love
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D.L. Bullock" <dlbullock@att.net>
> > To: "Pianotech@Ptg. Org" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: May 11, 2002 9:48 AM
> > Subject: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts
> >
> >
> > > I have had almost idential experience with "Jenn-you-whine" Steinway
> > parts.
> > > My answer is the same for Steinways as for any other fine piano
> > > rebuild---Renner, Renner, Renner.  Hammers need almost no
> > voicing, shanks
> > > are great and wippens are great.  You cannot go wrong with the three
way
> > > Renner rebuild.  You must get them from Renner USA and Lloyd Meyer
(sp?)
> > in
> > > Carefree, Arizona.  From anywhere else you may pay too much.
> > >
> > > I am very distressed about Steinway using Polyurethane glue.  Hot
animal
> > > Hide glue is all I would ever want to use for Hammers.
> > >
> > > D.L. Bullock
> > > www.thepianoworld.com
> > > St. Louis
> > >
> > > Original message---------------
> > > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:22:49 -0500
> > > From: "Greg Torres" <Tunapiana440@cox.net>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: 1969 Steinway L CBS?
> > >
> > > FWIW...
> > >
> > > My latest and perhaps my last experience with Steinway parts was not a
> > good
> > > one. I did a partial action rebuild recently for a customer's
> > 'M' because
> > of
> > > bad verdigree which consisted of hammers, shanks/flanges and
> > whipens . The
> > > customer insisted on genuine Steinway parts. As there was (and I
believe
> > > still is) a weird factory schedule going on at the time (last
> > November) I
> > > was not able to receive the pre-hung set of hammers and shanks they
> > offered
> > > so I had to go with separate hammer and shank/flange sets. The
> > quality of
> > > the hammers was awful IMO and the average difference between the
hammer
> > bore
> > > and shank diameter was so great that the hammers literally rocked on
the
> > > shanks as much as 7-8 degrees. I sent this first set of hammers
> > and shanks
> > > back and when the second sets came back the hammers were even worse
> > quality
> > > than the first and the bore/shank diameter was the same. For
> > example, the
> > > thickness of the reinforcement felt on the extreme treble hammers was
> > about
> > > 1/8" compared to the original hammers which were about 1/32"
> > thick. These
> > > hammers were more like sponges! I had to literally saturate
> > these hammers
> > in
> > > hardner.
> > >
> > > Then I got a call from Steinway because they received my returned
parts
> > and
> > > said that there was nothing wrong with the "fit" ....WTF? When
> > I gave them
> > > the specs of the original hammer bore they said that the loose fit is
> > normal
> > > and that the factory can only bore their hammers to that of what I
> > received,
> > > so if I didn't like this loose a fit then either send them back
> > (again, I
> > > lose money on my time, shipping and insurance, etc) or use
polyurethane
> > > glue...
> > >
> > > Because of time constraints and an increasing monetary loss I wound up
> > using
> > > these crappy parts and polyurethane glue, you know, the kind
> > that expands
> > to
> > > fill gaps...
> > >
> > > I will not ever buy genuine Steinway parts again unless the customer
> > > absolutely insists. And then I certainly will charge a hell of
> > a lot more
> > > money for repairs. Also, I got a call back from the client a
> > few days ago
> > > still wanting more brilliance in the treble...so I have to go back
next
> > week
> > > and try more hardener or perhaps (yikes!!) different hammers...
> > >
> > > BUT, I will end this rant by saying that the quality of the original
> > > Steinway parts was very very good, except for the verdigree problem. I
> > saved
> > > them with thoughts of rebushing them perhaps. But I have heard that
the
> > > verdigree will eventually come back even by doing this...
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > PS If anyone can recommend suppliers of substitute (read: better?)
> > > hammers/parts for Steinways I am all ears...Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>