----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: October 13, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: Broadwood Barless Grand > Del, > Did you have a chance to rebuild this? What was the scaling like? > Did you lay it? How would you rate the sound? Seems that a lot of problems > with scaling could be eliminated with this plate design. Any other details > you'd like to share? > > Greg Newell > No, I did not rebuild it. I saw it in a dealer's showroom. The salesman is the one holding the lid up. It was an interesting piano--obviously--though not one of particularly outstanding performance. It sounded about like one would expect from a mediocre rebuild on a mediocre design of modest build quality using a mediocre scale and a shot soundboard. I don't know what the string scale numbers were like--with Broadwood it could be anywhere. Probably it was a relatively low tension string scale overall but I don't know that for sure. While I am intrigued aesthetically with this design concept I fail to see its value from either a practical or an acoustic standpoint. At least not in this purest form. My impression was that the piano--i.e., the plate--was considerably heavier and the whole thing was wider than it needed to be to accommodate the pure 'barless' design feature. (Consider the abnormally wide plate sections between the bass tuning pin field and the rim and the treble tuning pin field and the rim.) If a bass overstrung configuration is going to be used why not incorporate a plate overbar between the bass/tenor section just to the right of the bass strings? This bar would take up no space on the scalestick--the scale break is there anyway--and it would alleviate much of the torsional strain on the plate and allow a somewhat lighter plate structure. As well, since the designer has already incorporated a gap in the scalestick for an action bracket why not insert one plate bar in the tenor/treble section. It doesn't seem to me it would have upset this particular scale all that much. We're now back to a conventional three-section plate design, of course. Were I doing a design of this type (and size) I would extend the bass section some--a 23-note bass section is far from optimum in a piano of this size--and incorporate one bar at the bass/tenor break. With this change the tenor/treble section would be shorter and it should be fairly easy to gain enough action rail stiffness to leave out the tenor/treble bracket and design a clean tenor/treble bridge sweep. It is arguable that any acoustical gains would be obtained by this but there might be some weight and width savings to be had. And both of these are admirable--though currently ignored--goals in piano design. As may be, lacking any compelling acoustical necessity for, or benefit gained from, the truly 'barless' concept, I'm not surprised it didn't survive the test of the marketplace. Del
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