To be or not to be: a heavy hammer

David Love davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:19:10 -0700


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From: Richard Brekne=20
To: Pianotech=20
Sent: October 17, 2002 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: To be or not to be: a heavy hammer


Indeed one does not require any particularly low ratio levels to =
regulate quite normally... until one approaches the highest levels of =
the high SW zone


 I took the liberty of re-including the rest of this statement as it is =
rather a decisive qualifier dont you think ?=20


No, I don't think it does.  The action regulates purely as a function of =
action ratio, with some wiggle room.  The SW zone has nothing to do with =
it.

My point is that low ratios will not regulate normally.  If you happen =
to believe, as I do, that certain regulation parameters correlate to =
certain action ratios, then there is a narrow range of acceptable action =
ratios that you can use if regulation is a high priority.  With me, it =
is.  I think that an action should regulate with 10 mm dip and 45 - 48 =
mm blow.  There may be a few individuals who for some reason prefer the =
dip to be deeper.  Those individuals are exceptions (in my opinion) and =
should not form the basis of decisions made about how generally to set =
up an action.  My experience and testing suggests that the range for of =
action ratios that will allow you to achieve those regulation specs fall =
between 5.75 and 5.85.  I know many individuals are willing to take the =
ratio down to 5.5, or lower.  If they are set on 10 mm dip then they =
will have to compromise blow distance to do that.

With that above qualifier in mind, I find that the range of dip =
available for 45 - 48 blow is considerably larger, also the amount of =
aftertouch variers and can figure into this. I also find that it is no =
problem regulating to 10 mm dip for a wider ratio range then you give. I =
also find that it is the norm rather then the exception that pianists =
tastes in these matters, as in virtually all others, vary.=20

You can vary the aftertouch but you have more room on the deeper side.  =
You need a minimum amount.  Tastes vary somewhat, but not generally to =
the degree that it requires a wholesale change in the targeted ratio. =20
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So let's do the math.  Let's take note 18 in high strike weight zone.

After re-inclusion of the qualifier to my above statement, I find this =
example out of the scope which I drew up. Indeed, I stated right out =
that when one reaches this highest level (and you picked the absolute =
highest) one runs into problems. We could just as easily do the same for =
the absolute lowest.=20

But the issue doesn't exist at the lowest level in the same way.  There =
are no concerns about exceeding front weight maximums.  Anyway, my point =
in this was "why heavy hammers".  The example I gave of a high zone =
hammer is something I recently saw on a Stanwood project.  (One that I =
was asked to undo, BTW)

Perhaps we should concentrate on what seems the jist of your discussion =
? You state that velocity can compensate for mass, and I question this. =
You state that the range of dip is 10 mm to 10 mm :), blow, 45 - 48 mm, =
ratio 5.75 - 5.85, aftertouch (?), and I question this as well. You =
state that the SW zone should be limited to a range of low mediums to =
mid mediums, and that heavier then that leads exclusively to more =
loudness, which you define seemingly  as a negative quality, and all =
kinds of regulation problems. (based on the range of parameters you give =
above) You also claim that the lightest controlable pppp playing is =
accomplished with very light hammers, and I question these as well.=20
Now what I get out of all this is that you define a very narrow set of =
regulation and action ratio parameters that you personally prefer and =
feel yeilds always the best sound, and you feel anything out of this =
range is... wrong. Is that correct ?=20

It's a bit jumbled.  But in short, I think that regulation rules in =
terms of decision making on actions.  The rest must fall within the area =
where regulation requirements can be met.  I don't think I said anything =
about restricting weights to low mediums.  I think the ideal regulation =
happens with an action ratio of 5.75 - 5.85.  You can do the math from =
there to figure out the highest strike weight zone that will keep you in =
the ballpark when you factor in desired balance weight and front weight. =
 Pushing up the strike weights to high zones for the sake of aleged =
tonal benefits creates other problems that, in my opinion, are not =
adequately solved by the currently employed protocols.
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Whether you like the sound or not is a different matter entirely.... and =
falls within the realm of personal taste does it not ? I find it odd =
that "taste" or "feel" is so often dismissed in these discussions as =
irrelevant.
David.... that is exactly my point. Pianists tastes for touch and sound =
vary largely.=20
Gotta go to work now, but I would end this one by saying that the specs =
argument (which perhaps at least half of this this boils down to)  has =
gone on for ages and will not be solved here. Manufacturers give =
recommended specs, and they are not written in iron. Bob Hofs article =
series on action elevations shows clearly the dependancy these have on =
the distance between string heights and key bed. And thats just the =
start of it. No... in this I agree entirely with our friend from Texas =
whose opinions on tuning and ETD related subject matter I enjoy so much =
and often disagree with. Its not a perfect world.=20
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Pianists tastes in touch and sound do vary, but not as largely as you =
think in terms of what is needed as far as design.  You can achieve a =
wide enough range of touch and tone within the parameters that I've =
outlined to accomodate 99% of the pianists.  Similarly with tone.  The =
designs I see that incorporate high strike weight zone hammers, I =
believe, have a more limited range of who they will accomodate and so I =
would not advocate them as a standard approach.

David Love

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Richard Brekne=20
RPT, N.P.T.F.=20
UiB, Bergen, Norway=20
mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no=20
http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html=20
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