Voicing

[David Love]

I've purchased countless sets of Steinway hammers over the years and I've
never had a set that were prelacquered.  That's why this was unusual, they
were clearly hardened beforehand.

David Love


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: September 20, 2002 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Voicing


I took a "Steinway Parts" class given by Nick Gravagne, with Kent Webb in
attendence. Part of the class was preping the new Steinway hammer. My clear
(IMHO) recollection is that the hammers come UNlacquered from Steinway. Nick
suggested trying them unlacquered in your piano first and see how they sound
before applying lacquer. Sometimes the very soft hammer will be a good
thing.

Terry Farrell

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: Voicing


Well I'm surprised, I've hung many sets of D hammers and I don't think I've
ever had one that was pre-lacquered.  Maybe just the luck of the draw.  It
wasn't just the tone, the hammers still needed some additional lacquering
and the felt wouldn't take the lacquer in a way that only prelacquered felt
reacts.

David Love

 ----- Original Message -----
  From: Erwinspiano@aol.com
  To: pianotech@ptg.org
  Sent: September 19, 2002 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Voicing


  In a message dated 9/19/2002 5:39:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
davidlovepianos@earthlink.net writes:



    Subj:Re: Voicing
    Date:9/19/2002 5:39:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    From:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
    Reply-to:pianotech@ptg.org
    To:pianotech@ptg.org
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    On a similar note, I got a set of D hammers from Steinway recently.
They were definitely prejuiced.  Not sure with what.  Never had that happen
before.  Is this something new?

    David Love

             David


             Not new. I've heard this for years that the felt is pre
laquered before pressing. To me this makes sense since they're pressing
method doesn't provide for  much true compression or tension or density.I
belive this to be by design. Pre - lacquering makes the felt stiffer which
helps densify it some during pressing. It's forced to stretch and bend a bit
more rather than just mush into the caul and around tha molding.
     The problem as I see it is that the method, isn't consistent. I've had
some sets that needed very little stiffening solution and others...well
Dave ,you know
  >>>>>Dale




      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Erwinspiano@aol.com
      To: pianotech@ptg.org
      Sent: September 19, 2002 1:33 PM
      Subject: Re: Voicing


      In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:23:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
RNossaman@cox.net writes:

                 Ron
                 This doesn't surprise me a bit. Ari ,at least in the past,
prejuiced all his hammer sets with a plexiglass solution to some degree
unless you specifically request none. He is fairly consistent about it but
sometimes some get stiffer than others. Great hammers. Still more variables
ehh
         Dale

        Yet with my soundboards, I've needled the Isaacs down. I don't think
it's
        knowing the hammer as much as knowing the hammer in relation to the
scaling
        and soundboard assembly of the specific piano.

        Ron N










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